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Trevor Crone
2nd December 2008, 12:12 PM
Anyone here doing any form of contact printing? I know Carl Radford and Ian Leake does, and I am (thanks to Ian) but is there anyone else. Please share your thoughts, loves, hates, anything really.

Dave miller
2nd December 2008, 12:48 PM
The only reason I brought a 10x8 was to get reasonable size contact prints. My cyanotype cat (http://www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk/forum/album.php?albumid=1&pictureid=218) is an example, not that I have yet made many, but give me time.

Trevor Crone
2nd December 2008, 01:47 PM
The only reason I brought a 10x8 was to get reasonable size contact prints. My cyanotype cat (http://www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk/forum/album.php?albumid=1&pictureid=218) is an example, not that I have yet made many, but give me time.

Sorry Dave, of course:o How are you finding the 10x8? Personally I'm finding the kit a bit heavy to travel any real distance with. I've managed to put the entire kit on wheels in an attempt to get me to places with relative ease. But I'm enjoying the contact process. I've always felt there is something a little special about contact prints probably something to do with the removal of yet one more optical system (enlarger)? And I've only ever been interested in producing a negative in camera. Enlargement and internegs hold no interest for me.....just a personal thing.

wiesmier
2nd December 2008, 02:18 PM
MM, I have been doing some cyanotypes and vandykes for a while. Mostly using digi negs but also LF 5x7 negs using x-ray film. My LF 'camera' is a pain and isn't suited to conditions up here really where the wind blows most of the time - when there isn't a gale blowing.
See these - digi neg [OHP injet film from Staples] cyanotype toned wif tea
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2226/2187517951_34360e2ee0.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/2282738156_e142774b9e.jpg

Peter Hogan
2nd December 2008, 03:47 PM
I make platinum/palladium prints from digital negatives...

Dave miller
2nd December 2008, 04:09 PM
Sorry Dave, of course:o How are you finding the 10x8? Personally I'm finding the kit a bit heavy to travel any real distance with. I've managed to put the entire kit on wheels in an attempt to get me to places with relative ease. But I'm enjoying the contact process. I've always felt there is something a little special about contact prints probably something to do with the removal of yet one more optical system (enlarger)? And I've only ever been interested in producing a negative in camera. Enlargement and internegs hold no interest for me.....just a personal thing.

Mine is a studio camera, a Horseman in the guise of a Toyo. I don't take it for walks. ;)

B&W Neil
2nd December 2008, 04:35 PM
Anyone here doing any form of contact printing? I know Carl Radford and Ian Leake does, and I am (thanks to Ian) but is there anyone else. Please share your thoughts, loves, hates, anything really.


Love it and want to do more when time allows. I have only tried POP so far with using the sun as a light source and found that to be very adictive.
Working with film from a 5x4 Crown Graphic which is very portable. In difficult (windy / wet) landscape situations I quite often focus with the on-board rangefinder and use the built-in viewfinder instead of the ground glass screen.

Neil.

Sandeha Lynch
2nd December 2008, 04:39 PM
I've done a few, though not as many as I hope to in the future. The first was using a 5x7 extension back on the 4x5 Surveyor.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a119/Sandeha/swansea_valley/060916_wep25_01_copy.jpg

Nice, but not big enough.

I then tried a few 6.5x8.5" shots ...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a119/Sandeha/llangiwg/070908_np22sc8_copy.jpg

... but had more fun once I'd adapted the 5x7 back for the whole plate camera.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a119/Sandeha/llanarthne/th_080309_fort200_04.jpg (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a119/Sandeha/llanarthne/080309_fort200_04.jpg) http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a119/Sandeha/llanarthne/th_080309_fort200_05.jpg (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a119/Sandeha/llanarthne/080309_fort200_05.jpg) http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a119/Sandeha/llanarthne/th_080309_np15_02.jpg (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a119/Sandeha/llanarthne/080309_np15_02.jpg)

Wephota or Fortepan in Rodinal. These are negative scans, but the printing was very straightforward. No funky stuff yet.

Trevor Crone
2nd December 2008, 05:17 PM
This is really heart warming, so many (well in relative terms at least) practising the act and art of contact printing.

Recently I've been getting to grips with palladium and platinum. But I also enjoy printing on POP (please bring it back Ilford) and still awaiting the arrival of Lodima, a new silver chloride contact paper from Michael A. Smith.

PaulG
2nd December 2008, 05:49 PM
Like the other aspects of LF, I'm just making a start with contact printing. I have a 5x4 enlarger, but for the time being am happy making contact prints. Nothing clever, so far I've used my Durst 35mm enlarger as a light source and 5x7 gloss RC paper to print on.

Hopefully I've attached my first bash at this...

Dave miller
2nd December 2008, 05:59 PM
Like the other aspects of LF, I'm just making a start with contact printing. I have a 5x4 enlarger, but for the time being am happy making contact prints. Nothing clever, so far I've used my Durst 35mm enlarger as a light source and 5x7 gloss RC paper to print on.

Hopefully I've attached my first bash at this...

And a very worthy subject. :)

PaulG
2nd December 2008, 06:01 PM
Thanks.

I think my New Year's resolution (if not sooner) should be to stop using it as a prop and get back to taking pictures with it! :)

Trevor Crone
2nd December 2008, 06:23 PM
Like the other aspects of LF, I'm just making a start with contact printing. I have a 5x4 enlarger, but for the time being am happy making contact prints. Nothing clever, so far I've used my Durst 35mm enlarger as a light source and 5x7 gloss RC paper to print on.

Hopefully I've attached my first bash at this...

Contact prints are very satisfying as you and others have shown here. They are little gems. Edward Weston produced the majority of his work as contact prints.

Barry
2nd December 2008, 07:07 PM
I have done some contact printing and also hope to do a lot more in the new year. Pt/Pl test strip below.

Sandeha Lynch
2nd December 2008, 07:19 PM
Aha. Now that, Barry, is one of your long ones. I was wondering how that was coming along.

Bob
2nd December 2008, 11:34 PM
I put a few bids in for whole-plate cameras that came up on the auction site in the past but they always went for more than I was prepared to pay (like, 100 with holders!). So, I decided I will wait to win the lottery, at which point I will get an 11x14 which seems to me to be the sweet spot between portability and print size...

This however is unlikely to pass as I have never entered a lottery and have no intention of ever doing so. I suspect this means my contact printing days will not occur in the near future. I know some like 5x4 but I find them too small - but subject choice probably pays a large part in that.

Dave miller
3rd December 2008, 07:01 AM
I put a few bids in for whole-plate cameras that came up on the auction site in the past but they always went for more than I was prepared to pay (like, 100 with holders!). So, I decided I will wait to win the lottery, at which point I will get an 11x14 which seems to me to be the sweet spot between portability and print size...

This however is unlikely to pass as I have never entered a lottery and have no intention of ever doing so. I suspect this means my contact printing days will not occur in the near future. I know some like 5x4 but I find them too small - but subject choice probably pays a large part in that.

100 does seem a trifle optimistic for such a venture, however the purchase of a 10 x 8 DDS is feasibly for around 25 which will leave you 75 to hone your Blue Peter skills on a suitable pinhole camera to fit it to.

CarlRadford
3rd December 2008, 05:21 PM
100 does seem a trifle optimistic for such a venture, however the purchase of a 10 x 8 DDS is feasibly for around 25 which will leave you 75 to hone your Blue Peter skills on a suitable pinhole camera to fit it to.

Nothing wrong with 10x8 pinhole :)

http://www.carls-gallery.co.uk/Pinhole-1/images/drystream.jpg

Ag-Bromide
6th December 2008, 02:28 PM
Anyone here doing any form of contact printing? I know Carl Radford and Ian Leake does, and I am (thanks to Ian) but is there anyone else. Please share your thoughts, loves, hates, anything really.
I have a Sinar Norma with an 8x10 back which I haven`t used yet. The bellows have been replaced by Camera Bellows Ltd and I have a Nikon 240mm f/5.6 Nikkor-W lens and some Ilford FP4 Plus in 8x10. Ideally, I would like to buy some A4 size B&W paper for contact printing and a proper contact printing frame if such a thing exist.
Could you tell me a bit more about the Lodima paper that you mentioned?

Trevor Crone
6th December 2008, 05:24 PM
SNIP; Could you tell me a bit more about the Lodima paper that you mentioned?

It's a replacement for Kodak's Azo paper and is formulated by American photographers Michael A. Smith and his wife Paula Chamlee.

The first batch of grade 2, 8x10" is now sold out. All being well it should go into full production in 2009 when it will be available in other sizes and grades.

See this link; http://www.michaelandpaula.com/mp/newpaper.html

Ag-Bromide
6th December 2008, 07:15 PM
Thanks for the link Trevor, I see the name for Lodima paper is `Amidol` spelt backwards. I hope this product becomes available in the UK soon.

Mark Burley
20th May 2009, 10:33 PM
I took part in a little Platinum Palladium workshop in Cambridge last year and enjoyed it hugely. I then realised that what the guy (David Chow) was using was in fact a printers platemaking (Parkers) machine.

After experiencing a nice little warm glow at seeing one again (been in the trade for years). I thought that I should be able to find one of those for reasonable money. One month later I bought one on Evilbay for 75.

Great bargain - it has a vacuum bed with a timer plus an ultra violet head with three bulbs. I am sure that I can substitute the UV bulbs for straight ones and use it for Silver gelatin-based contacts too.

The vac bed is roughly 24 inches square - so it ought to make things easy for quite large contacts in a few years time.

I had intended to buy a set of Platinum/Palladium chems soon. I intend to try Kallitypes and maybe salt printing later this year.

I have two 5x4 enlargers so I thought I might try making a few large inter-negs whilst I am at it. Having said that I am already set up to make large dodgital negs easily. OOPS sorry for mentioning that word...

In any case if we had a reasonable work flow - I would also be looking for a nice 5x4 or 10x8 camera. But we don't, and if she who must be obeyed caught even a whiff of what I want to do - its a designer minus his furry-friends!

Richard Gould
21st May 2009, 11:24 AM
I do aqlittle bit of contact printing, I hav a (very) old 10/8, formally a plate camera from around 1900,and adapted for film, mostly studio shots, great fun, Richard

vincent
21st May 2009, 08:03 PM
Sorry Trevor I thought this tread was about making contact sheets of my 35mm negs with the Patterson glass frame. Boy do I feel small.

vincent

Trevor Crone
21st May 2009, 08:57 PM
Not at all Vincent. I should have been more precise in my OP.

Dave miller
21st May 2009, 09:04 PM
Here's a recent attempt. St. Bega's church on the shore of Bassenthwaite.
10x8 contact printed onto Kentmere VC Select by way of a trial exposure.

A Sanderson
30th August 2009, 10:23 PM
I've done mostly contact printing since buying my Walker Titan 10x8 last year. My enlarger carrier only goes up to whole plate, so I'm planning on either adapting it to take the full 10x8, or making a lightbox back for the Walker to use it as a horizontal enlarger.
The contact prints I've done so far have been very pleasing, apart from the tiny, tiny dust marks which are a total pain to retouch out.

Dave miller
31st August 2009, 06:28 AM
SNIP
The contact prints I've done so far have been very pleasing, apart from the tiny, tiny dust marks which are a total pain to retouch out.

That made me smile, as it's one aspect of contact printing that I had not encountered - yet! :eek:

Michael
31st August 2009, 09:50 AM
If that's Andrew Sanderson snuck into the forum, he's one person I had really hoped would get here. Thank you for Night photography and a lot of other things.

Barry
31st August 2009, 09:55 AM
It is indeed, welcome Andrew.

Mark-NY
1st September 2009, 11:05 AM
It's a replacement for Kodak's Azo paper and is formulated by American photographers Michael A. Smith and his wife Paula Chamlee.

The first batch of grade 2, 8x10" is now sold out. All being well it should go into full production in 2009 when it will be available in other sizes and grades.

See this link; http://www.michaelandpaula.com/mp/newpaper.html

For anyone contact printing, I would recommend considering this paper. I have seen Michael Smith prints on Azo developed in Amidol and it is quite something. Hard to describe, but the print really jumps off the surface yet it has a smooth richness that is so calm and pleasing. This paper/developer combination is slightly warm - more in the green/yellow tones than the brown/red ones.

All accounts I have read on the Lodima paper have been extremely positive and have indicated that it is, practically speaking, identical to Azo -- save the double weight paper. I have not used used this paper, but do intend to.

To spread the cost of having a try with this paper, perhaps, a box or order could be shared by several members. Also, I have read that Ansco 130 developer (sold as Formulary 130 here in the US) produces almost the same results as Amidol and is less trouble to use.

All that being said, I would be interested to hear what other papers and developers others like for contact printing.

-Mark

Trevor Crone
1st September 2009, 01:19 PM
Hi Mark, with Lodima I have also developed it in Ilford's WT developer diluted 1:9 for 1 minute. Quite pleasing warm tones.

Other papers I've tried for making contact prints are; Forte Polywarmtone, Foma MG Classic (sadly these two papers being VC are sensitive to Newton Ring interference patterns), Ilford Gallery. I intend to try Adox Nuance graded paper. However Lodima is by far my favourite paper for contact printing that I've tried to date.

Dave miller
1st September 2009, 02:12 PM
SNIP sadly these two papers being VC are sensitive to Newton Ring interference patterns

That's an interesting statement Trevor, what do you think the cause is?

Trevor Crone
1st September 2009, 03:55 PM
That's an interesting statement Trevor, what do you think the cause is?

Just as VC papers are sensitive to yellow-green light, they are sensitive to the same wave length within the Newton Ring pattern. Interestingly both Foma MG Classic and Forte Polywarmtone will also fog under an orange safelight. Viewing a projected image through my enlargers orange swing "safe" filter is enough to fog these papers. :(

Dave miller
1st September 2009, 04:00 PM
Just as VC papers are sensitive to yellow-green light, they are sensitive to the same wave length within the Newton Ring pattern. Interestingly both Foma MG Classic and Forte Polywarmtone will also fog under an orange safelight. Viewing a projected image through my enlargers orange swing "safe" filter is enough to fog these papers. :(

Thanks, that useful info. I always thought Newton Rings were caused by moisture between the negative and glass, and so have always been careful to ensure the lowest humidity when preparing to print. Is that your experience?

Trevor Crone
1st September 2009, 04:49 PM
Yes, I try to keep moisture as low as possible. But despite my best efforts I still get Newton Rings when contact printing. However they never show in the print when I use graded papers only on the VC papers I mentioned. As yet I've not tried Ilford's VC papers to see if they show evidence of these interference patterns.

Alan Clark
1st September 2009, 05:08 PM
I have almost finished making a 10 x 8 camera and have been thinking about a vacuum box for doing contact prints, to avoid having to use glass. Does anyone have any experience of this?
Maybe a simple box would work,with small holes in the top and a small pump used for airbeds, to suck the air out?
Any thoughts anyone?

Alan

Ian Leake
1st September 2009, 06:17 PM
I have almost finished making a 10 x 8 camera and have been thinking about a vacuum box for doing contact prints, to avoid having to use glass. Does anyone have any experience of this?
Maybe a simple box would work,with small holes in the top and a small pump used for airbeds, to suck the air out?
Any thoughts anyone?

Alan

Unless I've misunderstood something, a vacuum frame still needs a surface above the film. I think the commercial ones normally use glass but I've also heard about people using sheets of clear plastic. I've no idea what effect they have on newton rings though.

Mark-NY
2nd September 2009, 10:59 AM
However Lodima is by far my favourite paper for contact printing that I've tried to date.

Thank you Trevor.

As a point of departure for contact printing, Lodima is one paper I would like to use. Out of curiosity, have you found that this paper would benefit from any different negative exposure or development?

I know that for Azo some developed negatives with higher contrast/density to take advantage of its scale. Also, many used staining developers with the benefit in this case of 1) printing under UV light as Azo had a spectral sensitivity beginning in the blue/violet area and extending down into UV and 2) reportedly more pronounced highlight separation, again for its scale. Or maybe these are tertiary issues affecting on the last 1% of print "quality"?

Trevor Crone
2nd September 2009, 01:20 PM
Mark, I have increased the development of my 8x10 negatives slightly for contact printing, mainly using Rodinal diluted 1:25. However, revaluating the negatives again recently I feel that there is not the separation of values that I get when processing 4x5 in my usual brew of PMK pyro. Therefore I recently developed 2 sheets of 8x10 FP4 in PMK pyro. Although I've yet to make prints on Lodima from them they do look to have a greater separation throughout the tonal range.

FP4 was exposed at ISO 100.

I certainly think there is potential for experimentation. For example, under exposure and over development to greatly increase the contrast range. Lodima certainly seems to have a very long tonal range.

numnutz
3rd September 2009, 04:04 PM
Alan Clark...
I have almost finished making a 10 x 8 camera and have been thinking about a vacuum box for doing contact prints, to avoid having to use glass. Does anyone have any experience of this?

I found this while mindlessly surfing the web one evening. Maybe the principle can be converted to a contact printing frame.

http://www.deadbread.com/crumbs/vac.html


nn :)

Alan Clark
3rd September 2009, 06:50 PM
Thanks NN.
I am sure a pump could pull enough air out of a box with small holes in the top to pull a sheet of printing paper down flat. The question is would enough air be pulled through the printing paper to create enough of a vacuum to pull the negative down flat?

I shall experiment and report back.

Alan

les dix
8th September 2009, 11:11 AM
Where does one get chemicals for Pt/Pd printing? Silverprint do not stock them unless I have missed them. I expect them to eye-wateringly expensive but to what extent?

Les

Ian Leake
8th September 2009, 11:19 AM
Where does one get chemicals for Pt/Pd printing? Silverprint do not stock them unless I have missed them. I expect them to eye-wateringly expensive but to what extent?

Les

Silverprint sell some of the chemistry (Ferric Oxalate, developers and clearing agents for example). But you'll need to go to Bostick and Sullivan in the US (http://www.bostick-sullivan.com) for the metals - Potassium Chloroplatinite ("Platinum") and Sodium Chloropalladite ("Palladium").

The extent of your eye-watering depends... Take a look at their prices and then factor in shipping, customs duty and VAT...

Ian Leake
8th September 2009, 11:41 AM
Actually the cost of Pt/Pd depends on many more factors than just the cost of the metals and related chemistry. Developers are very cost-effective because they don't get exhausted in the same way that silver gelatin developers do. But the paper you use may be quite costly. You should also factor in the cost of wastage (e.g. test prints or when you mess up the coating). Wastage is probably the most underestimated cost of all.

I use a rule of thumb that a small print costs about 5 in materials. This number has varied significantly over the years... Nowadays I probably average 1-2 test prints before I find the right combination of Pt/Pd/developer, but thankfully I rarely mess up my coating.

All the economics change when you're making large prints - above 10x8 say.

vanannan
9th September 2009, 07:40 AM
Where does one get chemicals for Pt/Pd printing? Silverprint do not stock them unless I have missed them. I expect them to eye-wateringly expensive but to what extent?

Les

http://www.artcraftchemicals.com/

These people have the best prices I have found and they do not overcharge for postage.

Ian Leake
9th September 2009, 08:18 AM
http://www.artcraftchemicals.com/

These people have the best prices I have found and they do not overcharge for postage.

I get my supplies for Mike Ware's platinum process from Artcraft. They've proven to be very reliable; and shipping costs are lower because their supplies are powdered (water and bottles are heavy).

But when starting out, most people prefer to buy pre-mixed chemistry kits rather than powders. While this means your shipping prices are higher, it also means that you don't need so many precautions when mixing chemistry (you really don't want to inhale some of these chemicals).

A Sanderson
19th November 2009, 11:33 PM
If that's Andrew Sanderson snuck into the forum, he's one person I had really hoped would get here. Thank you for Night photography and a lot of other things.

What a lovely comment, I'm flattered. Thank you.

Andrew Sanderson.
www.andrewsanderson.com
www.thewebdarkroom.com