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Martin Aislabie
11th February 2011, 04:18 PM
Am I alone or have others recently found that the Forum has become slow to load recently.

When it first happened a (in the last two or three weeks) first I put it down to my ISP being on a go-slow

However, other sites load at their normal rate but FADU can take time (up to 60s)

Its always the case but perhaps more than 50% of the time

Has anyone else experienced slow response?

Martin

Mike O'Pray
11th February 2011, 04:46 PM
Yes Martin my experience has been exactly the same but like you I was putting it down to my ISP as download speeds I get from my ISP vary a lot especially in the evening when I am on FADU.

For the benefit of the administrators, it seemed to improve last night.

Mike

Dave miller
11th February 2011, 05:25 PM
We shall follow this up, anyone else having problems? I enjoy such a crappy service from Talk/Talk as standard that I haven't noticed any difference in download times.

Barry
11th February 2011, 05:46 PM
I have not noticed any changes here?

Jon Butler
11th February 2011, 05:51 PM
No problems at home or out and about. Now I know someone that uses Talk-Talk, brave man.

Barry
11th February 2011, 05:56 PM
Are any of you having speed issues able to run an internet traceroute (http://network-tools.com/) to www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk and copy the results here?

Mike O'Pray
11th February 2011, 05:57 PM
Dave I am a computer illiterate but last night as a result of seeing an article in AP mag( re: improving your computer's perf in PS - nuff said) which by chance referred to virtual memory I learnt how to increase my paging file size as I was continually getting messages that said Windows was having to increase my virtual memory when I was in FADU and elsewhere.

It might have coincided with an improvement in my ISP download speeds which had been abysmal these last few nights and increasing virtual memory may make diddlysquat difference to download speeds anyway but I thought I'd better mention it.

I use another photographic forum as well which I had thought OK speedwise up to last night and not as slow as FADU but after my virtual memory size increase that site also seemed marginally quicker as well.

Anyway as I have said FADU seems to be running on my machine more like its satisfactory old self since last night but I have no idea of what's cause and what's effect.

Mike

Barry
11th February 2011, 06:01 PM
My results for comparison are...


TraceRoute to 91.207.221.71 [www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk]
Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 21 29 57 72.249.0.65 -
2 28 16 27 206.123.64.22 -
3 24 13 20 64.124.196.225 xe-4-2-0.er2.dfw2.us.above.net
4 26 13 13 64.125.27.81 xe-0-1-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net
5 12 12 14 64.125.26.134 xe-1-2-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net
6 64 53 99 64.125.30.54 xe-3-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net
7 45 42 38 64.125.28.241 xe-0-0-0.cr1.dca2.us.above.net
8 40 47 42 64.125.29.18 ge-2-3-0.mpr1.dca2.us.above.net
9 120 114 121 64.125.27.58 so-0-1-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net
10 115 121 112 213.152.254.53 above-gw2.thdo.ncuk.net
11 120 113 117 80.249.97.1 gi0-1-10-star1.bdr-rt1.thdo.ncuk.net
12 116 110 110 80.249.97.28 globalgold-gw1.thdo.ncuk.net
13 118 126 137 91.207.221.62 gw-pos.91-207-221-62.globalgold.co.uk
14 145 148 141 91.207.221.71 web.vb.globalgold.co.uk

Trace complete

Leo Stehlik
11th February 2011, 06:10 PM
no problems from where I am:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.12.1.1
2 15 ms 15 ms 11 ms cpc2-orpi3-2-0gw.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com [81.96.3.1]
3 11 ms 23 ms 12 ms bmly-core-1b-ae1-1671.network.virginmedia.net [80.1.225.197]
4 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms brnt-bb-1b-as3-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43.162.61]
5 10 ms 25 ms 13 ms brnt-bb-1a-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.174.225]
6 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms Port-channel100.ar7.AMS2.gblx.net [64.213.176.61]
7 19 ms 20 ms 19 ms 64.214.140.138
8 22 ms 19 ms 19 ms advancedsearch.virginmedia.com [81.200.64.50]

Martin Aislabie
11th February 2011, 06:16 PM
Are any of you having speed issues able to run an internet traceroute (http://network-tools.com/) to www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk and copy the results here?

Barry, next time I'm having loading difficulties, I'll run the test and PM you the results

Martin

B&W Neil
11th February 2011, 06:22 PM
I can't say I have noticed anything and we are at the end of the long tin cored wire from England ;)

Neil.

Barry
11th February 2011, 06:28 PM
Barry, next time I'm having loading difficulties, I'll run the test and PM you the results

Martin

Thanks Martin. It should pinpoint where the problem is occuring.

Barry
11th February 2011, 06:31 PM
no problems from where I am:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.12.1.1
2 15 ms 15 ms 11 ms cpc2-orpi3-2-0gw.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com [81.96.3.1]
3 11 ms 23 ms 12 ms bmly-core-1b-ae1-1671.network.virginmedia.net [80.1.225.197]
4 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms brnt-bb-1b-as3-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43.162.61]
5 10 ms 25 ms 13 ms brnt-bb-1a-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.174.225]
6 20 ms 19 ms 20 ms Port-channel100.ar7.AMS2.gblx.net [64.213.176.61]
7 19 ms 20 ms 19 ms 64.214.140.138
8 22 ms 19 ms 19 ms advancedsearch.virginmedia.com [81.200.64.50]

Thanks Leo, I'm not sure why your list is incomplete?

Richard Gould
11th February 2011, 07:22 PM
No problems here in Jersey,seems as fast as ever to me Richard

Mike O'Pray
11th February 2011, 07:47 PM
Are any of you having speed issues able to run an internet traceroute (http://network-tools.com/) to www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk and copy the results here?

Barry as one who was rather than is experiencing slowness I'd be happy to oblige if I knew what I was going. I clicked onto the site but had no idea as to how to proceed. It seemed to want me to download something for a 30 day free trial which makes me suspicious and can you explain in simple terms what the results being printed mean.

When I said I was a computer illiterate I wasn't guilty of exhibiting false modesty:D

Mike

Tony Marlow
11th February 2011, 08:18 PM
we are at the end of the long tin cored wire from England

Declared UDI then Neil?

Tony

Barry
11th February 2011, 08:29 PM
Barry as one who was rather than is experiencing slowness I'd be happy to oblige if I knew what I was going. I clicked onto the site but had no idea as to how to proceed. It seemed to want me to download something for a 30 day free trial which makes me suspicious and can you explain in simple terms what the results being printed mean.

When I said I was a computer illiterate I wasn't guilty of exhibiting false modesty:D

Mike

No problem Mike, you don't need to download anything. Just select the box 'Trace' and type www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk into the box next to the 'Go' button, then press the 'Go' button and wait for the results.

Barry
11th February 2011, 08:30 PM
Declared UDI then Neil?

Tony

:D

And we all know where the Tin came from :eek:

Mike O'Pray
11th February 2011, 08:45 PM
Barry I have just done as you instructed and the trace is here:
Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 25 33 56 72.249.128.109 -
2 31 9 7 206.123.64.22 -
3 21 12 6 64.125.27.81 xe-0-1-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net
4 15 10 15 64.125.26.134 xe-1-2-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net
5 17 42 39 64.125.28.49 xe-2-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net
6 50 51 40 64.125.28.49 xe-2-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net
7 132 154 118 64.125.24.42 xe-4-1-0.mpr1.lhr3.uk.above.net
8 148 119 113 64.125.27.225 so-0-0-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net
9 119 115 122 213.152.254.53 above-gw2.thdo.ncuk.net
10 133 118 116 80.249.97.1 gi0-1-10-star1.bdr-rt1.thdo.ncuk.net
11 123 122 121 80.249.97.28 globalgold-gw1.thdo.ncuk.net
12 123 127 136 91.207.221.62 gw-pos.91-207-221-62.globalgold.co.uk
13 143 169 158 91.207.221.71 web.vb.globalgold.co.uk

Trace complete

What does all this mean?

Mike

Trevor Crone
11th February 2011, 08:56 PM
Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 36 50 107 72.249.128.5 -
2 44 52 69 206.123.64.22 -
3 35 15 5 64.124.196.225 xe-4-2-0.er2.dfw2.us.above.net
4 14 7 8 64.125.27.81 xe-0-1-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net
5 12 20 37 64.125.26.134 xe-1-2-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net
6 57 54 130 64.125.24.42 xe-4-1-0.mpr1.lhr3.uk.above.net
7 118 115 111 64.125.27.225 so-0-0-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net
8 112 113 114 213.152.254.53 above-gw2.thdo.ncuk.net
9 112 111 121 213.152.254.53 above-gw2.thdo.ncuk.net
10 117 112 112 80.249.97.1 gi0-1-10-star1.bdr-rt1.thdo.ncuk.net
11 115 114 112 80.249.97.28 globalgold-gw1.thdo.ncuk.net
12 126 117 121 91.207.221.62 gw-pos.91-207-221-62.globalgold.co.uk
13 123 121 127 91.207.221.71 web.vb.globalgold.co.uk

Trace complete

Yes, I too would like to know what this all means?

B&W Neil
11th February 2011, 09:30 PM
Declared UDI then Neil?

Tony

Tony.

All it needs is to blow up one bridge :D


965


Neil.

Barry
11th February 2011, 09:34 PM
Briefly...

It's the internet server route taken from your PC to the fadu server. It shows the time in milliseconds taken for each server to respond to your request. If you add up one of the time columns it will give you a good idea of the time it has taken in total. Those having slow responses will be able to see where the bottleneck occurs.

Tony Marlow
11th February 2011, 09:36 PM
All it needs is to blow up one bridge

Well you had better start looking for some new tin mines or you will be in hock to the World Bank. Take a peek at Zimbabwe.

Tony

Trevor Crone
11th February 2011, 10:22 PM
Tony.

All it needs is to blow up one bridge :D


965


Neil.

Just for you Neil - hope it is clear enough to read what is written on the wall - needless to say I made a hasty retreat:D

Martin Aislabie
11th February 2011, 10:35 PM
I will now point out the bleedin obvious :rolleyes:

You need to copy these links that Barry indicated into a document stored on a file on your home PC

That way you can run the test while the problem is occurring rather than wait to get into FADU and run the trace after the problem occurred.

As the delays seem to be temporary in nature (at least for me) you need to run the test while the problem is actually occurring

Martin

Mike O'Pray
11th February 2011, 10:48 PM
I think I am beginning to get there Martin in terms of understanding but assuming for instance that "my trace" tonight revealed the speed of the links to be A1 between me and FADU, by how much worse do they have to be to indicate an issue?

Mike

Mike O'Pray
11th February 2011, 11:16 PM
An addendum to help or not as the case may be? I added up the first column of the 1-13 Hops for myself and Trevor which indicates speed of connection

My time was :1080ms
Trevor's time:1021ms

So just over a second in each case and as near as damn it the same for both of us( only 59 ms between us).

This seems reasonable and presumably forms a yardstick against which to judge things if connection appears to be slow.

Trevor is marginally faster because his broadband speed is slightly better or his ISP is more efficient?

OR The Darwinian pecking order dictates that LFers are further up the food chain than 35mmers :D

Mike

Trevor Crone
12th February 2011, 06:53 AM
An addendum to help or not as the case may be? I added up the first column of the 1-13 Hops for myself and Trevor which indicates speed of connection

My time was :1080ms
Trevor's time:1021ms

So just over a second in each case and as near as damn it the same for both of us( only 59 ms between us).

This seems reasonable and presumably forms a yardstick against which to judge things if connection appears to be slow.

Trevor is marginally faster because his broadband speed is slightly better or his ISP is more efficient?

OR The Darwinian pecking order dictates that LFers are further up the food chain than 35mmers :D

Mike

Thanks Mike, but my connection on FADU does seem slow at times - I put it down to the Cornish connection - too much cream and pasties:D

B&W Neil
12th February 2011, 09:20 AM
Just for you Neil - hope it is clear enough to read what is written on the wall - needless to say I made a hasty retreat:D


Thanks for the pic Trevor; this is a lovely shot from my favourite area.

After 40 years we have our passports now so are OK - adopted Cornish :D


Neil.

Martin Aislabie
15th February 2011, 07:19 PM
I have had another experience of slow loading

TraceRoute to 91.207.221.71 [www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk]

Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 27 25 41 72.249.128.5 -
2 31 16 18 206.123.64.22 -
3 22 35 13 64.124.196.225 xe-4-2-0.er2.dfw2.us.above.net
4 26 17 14 64.125.27.81 xe-0-1-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net
5 37 28 23 64.125.26.134 xe-1-2-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net
6 46 45 44 64.125.28.49 xe-2-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net
7 73 72 46 64.125.28.241 xe-0-0-0.cr1.dca2.us.above.net
8 43 55 89 64.125.29.18 ge-2-3-0.mpr1.dca2.us.above.net
9 201 132 139 64.125.27.58 so-0-1-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net
10 136 154 151 213.152.254.53 above-gw2.thdo.ncuk.net
11 201 190 192 80.249.97.1 gi0-1-10-star1.bdr-rt1.thdo.ncuk.net
12 170 151 138 80.249.97.28 globalgold-gw1.thdo.ncuk.net
13 220 193 156 91.207.221.62 gw-pos.91-207-221-62.globalgold.co.uk
14 140 135 143 91.207.221.71 web.vb.globalgold.co.uk

Trace complete



Hope this is of some help

Martin

Mike O'Pray
15th February 2011, 11:47 PM
It would be interesting to know what the range of times are that are within normal parameters. Do we compare times only to our own previous times or is there a set standard?

The reason I ask what to the computer literate may be a naive question is that Martin's times are only very marginally poorer than mine which I got when I felt that FADU was responding normally.

Mike

Dave miller
16th February 2011, 08:18 AM
It would be interesting to know what the range of times are that are within normal parameters. Do we compare times only to our own previous times or is there a set standard?

The reason I ask what to the computer literate may be a naive question is that Martin's times are only very marginally poorer than mine which I got when I felt that FADU was responding normally.

Mike

I guess that one way would be to do a trace to other similar sites and compare the results.

Barry
16th February 2011, 05:27 PM
I have had another experience of slow loading

TraceRoute to 91.207.221.71 [www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk]

Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 27 25 41 72.249.128.5 -
2 31 16 18 206.123.64.22 -
3 22 35 13 64.124.196.225 xe-4-2-0.er2.dfw2.us.above.net
4 26 17 14 64.125.27.81 xe-0-1-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net
5 37 28 23 64.125.26.134 xe-1-2-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net
6 46 45 44 64.125.28.49 xe-2-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net
7 73 72 46 64.125.28.241 xe-0-0-0.cr1.dca2.us.above.net
8 43 55 89 64.125.29.18 ge-2-3-0.mpr1.dca2.us.above.net
9 201 132 139 64.125.27.58 so-0-1-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net
10 136 154 151 213.152.254.53 above-gw2.thdo.ncuk.net
11 201 190 192 80.249.97.1 gi0-1-10-star1.bdr-rt1.thdo.ncuk.net
12 170 151 138 80.249.97.28 globalgold-gw1.thdo.ncuk.net
13 220 193 156 91.207.221.62 gw-pos.91-207-221-62.globalgold.co.uk
14 140 135 143 91.207.221.71 web.vb.globalgold.co.uk

Trace complete



Hope this is of some help

Martin

Thanks Martin, I'll look into it when I can. Worth adding the time this trace was done if you do this again.

Martin Aislabie
16th February 2011, 06:59 PM
Thanks Martin, I'll look into it when I can. Worth adding the time this trace was done if you do this again.

Barry - done at 19:23 hrs Tues 15th Feb

I did wonder whether to include the time

Martin

Martin Aislabie
19th February 2011, 11:00 AM
Another one for you to ponder Barry

TraceRoute to 91.207.221.71 [www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk]
Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 34 65 48 72.249.128.5 -
2 49 97 68 206.123.64.22 -
3 21 33 10 64.125.26.213 xe-1-1-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net
4 14 12 8 64.125.26.213 xe-1-1-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net
5 15 9 10 64.125.30.73 xe-0-0-0.cr1.dfw2.us.above.net
6 48 11 38 64.125.29.38 xe-3-1-0.cr1.dca2.us.above.net
7 40 43 42 64.125.29.22 ge-3-3-0.mpr1.dca2.us.above.net
8 87 55 52 64.125.29.22 ge-3-3-0.mpr1.dca2.us.above.net
9 160 163 125 64.125.31.185 so-1-1-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net
10 123 117 122 213.152.254.53 above-gw2.thdo.ncuk.net
11 137 131 130 80.249.97.28 globalgold-gw1.thdo.ncuk.net
12 151 144 199 91.207.221.62 gw-pos.91-207-221-62.globalgold.co.uk
13 148 141 135 91.207.221.62 gw-pos.91-207-221-62.globalgold.co.uk
14 142 155 136 91.207.221.71 web.vb.globalgold.co.uk
Trace complete
Trace done at 18:35hrs Fri 18th Feb 2011

The way the progress bar at the bottom of the screen was moving, I personally don't think its the internet that is the delay, it seems to be the servers.

I ran this test in and saved the results, in the time it took to get 4 progress bars loaded (well over 60s)

Its not a big deal, it doesn't happen very often but when it does the whole thing just stops

Martin:)

Barry
3rd March 2011, 10:35 AM
Martin,

Although there are some delays in the hops which are a little long there is nothing to there suggest the times you are experiencing.
Are you still having problems?

Martin Aislabie
3rd March 2011, 06:39 PM
Hi Barry

Not for the last few days

The problem seems to come and go

I will let you know if I have another problem

Martin

Mike O'Pray
13th June 2011, 09:01 PM
Anyone else experiencing loading problems tonight? I came in at 9:30pm and have had several attempts to load only to be told "Sorry broken link" then a period of very slow loading.

Mike

MartyNL
13th June 2011, 09:35 PM
Yep! Same here.

Any new threads, I think I'll leave 'til tomorrow.

big paul
13th June 2011, 09:50 PM
and me.#
what a pain in the digit

Mike O'Pray
13th June 2011, 09:55 PM
As of 10:55pm speed seems to have been restored. So in my case problems lasted about 1hr 25mins.

Any mod any idea of cause?

Thanks

Mike

Paulographic
14th June 2011, 06:00 AM
Me too last night around 10. Very slow and eventually message saying "Unable to load the webpage"
OK this morning.

B&W Neil
14th June 2011, 07:41 AM
I also experienced the same problem last night; all fine this morning.

Neil.

Barry
14th June 2011, 08:35 AM
Unfortunately without any routing details it is impossible to pinpoint the issue. It could be a server issue with our web provider or a routing problem some where between your PC and our server. The nature of the internet does mean that we all get occasion problems. If they become too regular we can investigate further.

Bob
14th June 2011, 07:42 PM
A server issue last night methinks. I had the same problem as others while getting high download speeds elsewhere.

Sadly, that is the consequences of a shared server - you are at the mercy of other users. Saying that, our hosting company has been pretty good at not overloading the server with too many users so hopefully it will not occur too often.

Mark Burley
18th June 2011, 12:43 AM
I too have had terrible trouble loading pages. So much so that I rebooted our servers three times but to no avail. I'm supposed to be on a 20mb broadband line. You would think that's rubbish if you tried it most nights...

Mark

Neil Smith
18th June 2011, 09:37 AM
I too have had terrible trouble loading pages. So much so that I rebooted our servers three times but to no avail. I'm supposed to be on a 20mb broadband line. You would think that's rubbish if you tried it most nights...

Mark

I don't know who you are with but I am with BT and I have had several problems with my internet speed. The last time I phoned the help line and they said they would look into it, they told me they would reset my broadband whatever that means and it would take up to 7 days for it to work as normal. Within half an hour it was back to normal and has been fine ever since.

Neil

Mark Burley
20th June 2011, 09:30 PM
I'm with BT and strangely its running like grease lightning this evening!

Barry
21st June 2011, 08:21 AM
I'm with BT and strangely its running like grease lightning this evening!

It does seem there was a BT routing issue causing your problems?

Barry
25th June 2011, 08:44 AM
We are currently experiencing an internet server issue and have advised our server providers of the problem.

Dave miller
25th June 2011, 05:47 PM
We are currently experiencing an internet server issue and have advised our server providers of the problem.

We are back up to normal speed,:) if you are experiencing slow downloads on only this site then please let us know.

Barry
26th June 2011, 08:20 AM
Yesterday's server issues were caused by a Denial of Service (DOS) attack on our servers. Unfortunately we have no control over this and hope this is a rare occurrence?

B&W Neil
26th June 2011, 08:35 AM
If this DOS problem had been affecting everyone that would explain why it was fixed PDQ.

Neil.

Martin Aislabie
15th July 2011, 09:14 PM
I have just had to wait about 5 mins to get FADU to re-load a page

Is there anything going on ?

Its not the WWW - all the other sites seem to be running fine

Hope this helps

Thanks

Martin

TraceRoute to 91.207.221.71 [www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk]

Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 Timed out 0 0 206.123.64.154 -
2 26 0 0 64.124.196.225 xe-4-2-0.er2.dfw2.us.above.net
3 0 0 0 64.125.26.213 xe-1-1-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net
4 0 0 0 64.125.30.77 xe-1-0-0.cr1.dfw2.us.above.net
5 5 5 5 64.125.26.130 xe-1-2-0.cr1.iah1.us.above.net
6 32 48 33 64.125.25.113 xe-2-1-0.cr1.dca2.us.above.net
7 32 32 32 64.125.29.22 ge-3-3-0.mpr1.dca2.us.above.net
8 105 114 105 64.125.31.185 so-1-1-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net
9 105 105 113 213.152.254.52 above-gw1.thdo.ncuk.net
10 105 105 105 80.249.97.28 globalgold-gw1.thdo.ncuk.net
11 111 111 111 91.207.221.62 gw-pos.91-207-221-62.globalgold.co.uk
12 111 116 111 91.207.221.71 web.vb.globalgold.co.uk
Trace complete

Time – 22:09

Barry
16th July 2011, 11:01 AM
Martin,

The first three values of each row show the response time for each hop (It is measured three times at each hop). Your table shows no real delays except on hop 1 where it 'timed out' on the first attempt. This hop apears to be to your Internet Provider. If you continue to have this problem it may be worth passing the table on to your Internet Provider? Perhaps Bob could give some advice on this?