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Help! with the blacks. Zone IV and above are all to my liking but the blacks are not black. How can get them down where they should be?
delta400 135, EI400, Xtol 1+0, 21°, 7mins constant rotation. MGRC, grade 3, Multigrade dev.
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Miha

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Thu, 15, March, 2012 8:59pm

By increasing the contrast grade?
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Fri, 16, March, 2012 11:16am

Miha, I tried but then the blacks became one big smear without any detail. Would that indicate I should have exposed the neg more?
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Miha

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Sat, 17, March, 2012 7:56pm

Peter, I imagine the light was pretty flat, so the scanned photo looks quite right on my monitor, if anything it's a little too dark.
It's often that one wants solid black in a print although there were no in the original scene. I don often go for max black as I often print on matt papers - it's the overall tone distribution that I pay attention to. Not much help I know.
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Wed, 11, April, 2012 3:42pm

I see strong shadows from those trees so I think there must have been direct sunlight. The image is flat and dull which suggests too long a print time, not enough print contrast and possibly not enough film dev although I think that should be the last thing you should change in this case.
Because you are almost shooting into the sun the shadow areas at the base of thr trees will have extreme contrast separation from the sky. So the only way you will get some detail in those tree trunks with blacks is to let the sky goto pure white. In other words, print just for the tree trunks and branches and don't worry about the sky. You will then get a high contrast scene with some blacks and detail in the trees against a white background. So reduce print time and increase print contrast.

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Thu, 12, April, 2012 12:48am

Hi Peter,

Working with the negative you have. Increasing the contrast by 5 cc, 10 cc or 15 cc of magenta ( on a 170 cc scale ) for the same exposure time and if you are using Ilford filters the same G 3 filter will deepen the black a bit and also slightly under expose the rest thus making the “edges” a little sharper.


Or you could try MGRC Warm tone as that seems to have “better” blacks than MG when developed in MG.


Out of curiosity what lens and f stop did you use ?


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Fri, 13, April, 2012 1:33am

infact by reducing the print time and increasing the contrast your blacks can be much the same as they are now. But the relative difference betweeen the whites which will be much whiter, makes the blacks look much blacker than they do now. It's a trick of the eye or rather how your perceptual system actually interprets what you are looking at based on contrast ratios. So you don't need them to be really black and blocked up.
I have played with your image in my image editor and just increased brightness(= less print time) and increased contrast(= higher print grade) the same amount. The result looks more graphic but much better IMO. I suggest you try the same so you have an idea of what you might try when you come to print it again.

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