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pentaxpete 19th February 2009 02:31 PM

Perceptol Formula
 
Would you be interested in the formula for 'Perceptol'? I got it from a bloke who worked in Ilford's Woodman Road, Brentwood factory when it was being closed and all the gear was being given away to photo colleges or thrown away and workers lost their jobs.
Sodium Tripolyphosphate 3.5 gms
Metol 5.0 gms
Sodium Sulphite anhyd.100.0 gms
Sodium Chloride 30.0 gms
water to 1 Litre
I suppose the Sodium Tripolyphosphate could be left out if SOFT or DISTILLED water is used.

Peter Hogan 19th February 2009 07:05 PM

Interesting. I never knew what the formula was, but in hindsight should have guessed. The sharpness comes from the metol, obviously - metol is known for it's sharpness. The one stop loss in speed when using Perceptol comes from the fact that metol is the sole developing agent. In most developers it would be mixed with Hydroquinone to make a super-additive developer, and maintain the speed. Nevertheless, it is a fine developer, and I have used it often. Just didn't like losing speed...

Mike O'Pray 19th February 2009 07:25 PM

THe strange thing is that for almost all film speeds, Perceptol has dev time for EIs that are at least 1/3rd stop less or more usually one stop less. Then you get to D3200 where it lists time for box speed. OK I know that D3200's real speed is said to be about 1000-1250 but yet Perceptol allegedly "works at EI 3200.

How are these seemingly contradictory situations reconciled i.e. no times for slower films at box speed and yet a time for Ilford highest speed film at its highest speed?

Mike

Argentum 19th February 2009 07:40 PM

are you saying those speeds are obtained or that they are claimed.

Barry 19th February 2009 09:03 PM

That's interesting Pete. Most of the rumours regarding the composition of Perceptol have suggested that it is D23 with 30g of Sodium Chloride. Well that's just about correct except the Sodium Tripolyphosphate. Anyone know what this does?

Daud 20th February 2009 04:48 AM

This is a great developer when used at 1:3 – try it with HP5 it could surprise you.
Found out some years back when reading (Barry Thornton – Elements 1993. page 72/73)
David.

Dave miller 20th February 2009 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daud (Post 7033)
This is a great developer when used at 1:3 – try it with HP5 it could surprise you.
Found out some years back when reading (Barry Thornton – Elements 1993. page 72/73)
David.

You mean it doesn't come ready mixed in a bottle? :eek:

Daud 20th February 2009 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 7036)
You mean it doesn't come ready mixed in a bottle? :eek:

I had to think about that one - slow today, late night.
David.

pentaxpete 20th February 2009 07:58 AM

If you do not buy the packet Perceptol and make it up yourself you have to be careful to use pure Sodium Chloride as ordinary salt contains traces of Iodine which is a powerful restrainer ( See Crawley's FX1 Formula where he proposes a 0.1% Potassium Iodide addition!).

Peter Hogan 22nd February 2009 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry (Post 7020)
That's interesting Pete. Most of the rumours regarding the composition of Perceptol have suggested that it is D23 with 30g of Sodium Chloride. Well that's just about correct except the Sodium Tripolyphosphate. Anyone know what this does?


Most big chemical producers, besides using the normal developing agents, will add various chemicals to try to overcome the huge differences in tap water around the world. Tripolyphosphate is one of those chemicals. You can safely leave it out if you're mixing your own.


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