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Miha 12th March 2009 05:50 PM

Chloro-Bromide Papers
 
Can someone please give me a review of the current FB and RC papers.

I`m struggling to find out which papers are chloro-bromide and which are bromide only papers.

I`m particularly interested in Ilford and Foma papers.

Thanks,
Miha

Richard Gould 12th March 2009 09:23 PM

Miha, as far as I know Ilford don't do a chlrobromide paper, as far as Foma the fomatone is a true chlro bromide paper,and has not been re worked as yet to remove cadmium etc, and is certainly a very nice paper, if a very slow paper, I use it myself as my standard paper. I believe that Kentmere, now produced by Harman, also has a chlrobromide in its range, Kentona, which is a fixed grade paper, and again a very nice warm paper. There may be others but these are all I knows of, I have used them both and can recomend them both, especialy the fomatone.Richard

Miha 13th March 2009 10:06 AM

Thanks Richard!

Silverprint says Ilford galerie is a chloro-bromide paper. What about Ilford warmtone? Isn`t that a characteristic of chloro-bromide papers, or did Ilford take another route?

My experience with fomatone is limited to chamois FB. Yes, a very slow paper with unique tones. Love it!

Miha

Richard Gould 13th March 2009 02:31 PM

I understand that Ilford took another route with their warmtone, and I I believe that galerie is a neutral tone paper, but I have never used it, I prefer mg type and gallerie is fixed grade, as for fomatone, try the standard fomatone gloss, if you love chamois then I think you will enjoy fomatone gloss, try it in harman warmtone dev, it seems to m,e to bring out the best in it,Richard

Argentum 13th March 2009 02:54 PM

I've always thought that Ilford Galerie which is actually called "Ilfobrom Galerie", is a pure bromide paper but I could be wrong. It produces neutral and very black blacks with easily achievable density of 2.1. More density with selenium toning.

There's too many papers for anyone to give a full list without significant research. Tim Rudman lists papers good for Lith at his wolp site in the news section.

Richard Gould 13th March 2009 03:00 PM

I agree wit you, I never thought of gallerie as chlrobromide,but I guess that all we can suggest is the papers we actually use, or have used,Richard

Miha 13th March 2009 04:44 PM

Thanks on the Fomatone gloss tip. We are talking FB here, right? I need to stock soon (haven`t been in my darkroom for 6 months or so - don`t spread this around :-)) OT: Is Kentmere VC lustre RC a good substitute for Ilford Multigrade pearl (44M) RC?

Richard Gould 13th March 2009 05:40 PM

The fomatone is F.B., but they do a RC version as well, using the same emulsion,I prefer the FB papers, and I would say that the kentmere paper is a good replacement for Ilford,although the kentmere papers are now made by Harman.Richard

Martin Aislabie 14th March 2009 10:34 PM

When Ilford launched Galerie (many, many years ago) they described is as a Bromo-chloride paper.

I think they were trying to say that it was neither Warm or Cool Toned but Neutral Toned Paper.

However, during product launches there is always so much BS thrown around who knows what to believe.

From personnel experience I do know the paper base colour and tone has not changed.

I have always been a big fan of Galerie

Aren't the Ilford and other Warm Tone Papers (both RC & FB) Chloro-bromide emulsions - its how they get the warm tone ?

Martin

Richard Gould 15th March 2009 09:41 AM

i don't know about others but I seem to remember reading somw time ago that ilford used another "modern" route to warm tone, and I believe that the kentmere fine print warm tone used a brome iodide emulsion that was pigmated to produce a warm tone,. Also the fotospeed rcvc is a chlro bromide emulsion. Richard


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