Support our Sponsors, they keep FADU free:   AG Photographic   Keyphoto   The Imaging Warehouse   Process Supplies   RH Designs   RK Photo   Second-hand Darkroom Supplies   Silverprint Ltd

Notices

Go Back   Film and Darkroom User > Equipment > Cameras - medium format

  ***   Click here for the FADU 2015/2014 Yearbooks   ***

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 14th June 2020, 09:37 PM
big paul big paul is offline
Friend
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: benfleet essex
Posts: 2,087
Default 220 film back +120 film

I have tried my 220 film back with 120 film and I had no trouble .. all you have to do is widen the area between the pressure plate and the film back ,I used some sticky paper the same thickness as the backing paper ,and it all went well ,I had a photo shoot with a couple of male models ,I did have one female model but she kept running away ,so I was left with the boys ,here's two prints 10x8 Ilford fibre based grade 2 paper scanned prints ,the white dog was taken with the 120 back and the other dog with the 220 back both taken on my Rolleiflex 6003 and 80mm 2.8 planar PQ lens ,all the negatives came out fully sharp except a couple that was my fault .Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0006.jpg
Views:	60
Size:	123.7 KB
ID:	3794

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0003.jpg
Views:	55
Size:	150.7 KB
ID:	3795
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 20th June 2020, 08:40 AM
High Sierra High Sierra is offline
Friend
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 49
Default

For Hasselblad A24 back (220 back) you can insert the 120 film and instead of winding the film to the usual start arrow, stop winding about 90 degrees of rotation prior to the usual start. You can now get 12 exposures on the 120 roll. Perhaps this is possible with your Rollei.
Pete
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 7th January 2021, 04:42 PM
pentaxpete's Avatar
pentaxpete pentaxpete is offline
Friend
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Brentwood, Essex UK
Posts: 320
Default

I just tried that with an A24 back I bought off E-Bay years ago ( very well - used)and it does not work -- I have to wind on until just a fraction PAST the 'START' arrow but on camera it jams winding on Frame 3 and I have to take off A24 back and complete the film wind to clear it -- a 'Bit Scary and Possibly EXPENSIVE' if I could not clear it !
__________________
Computerised and Slightly DIGITISED but FILM still RULES with ME !
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 8th January 2021, 11:26 AM
photomi7ch's Avatar
photomi7ch photomi7ch is offline
Friend
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 2,359
Default

I have been experimenting with a 220 back for my Bronica sqa it states quit clearly in the manual that you should not us it with 120 film. The reason they say is the backing paper. I decided to remove the backing paper. The trick is to leave the paper leader on and the same for the rear. it does mean having to unwind the film to connect the other end with tape. it worked really well.
__________________
Mitch

http://photomi7ch.blogspot.com/

If you eliminate the impossible whatever remains no matter how improbable must be the truth.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 13th January 2021, 10:27 AM
photomi7ch's Avatar
photomi7ch photomi7ch is offline
Friend
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 2,359
Default

If you do not mind Paul I would like to open up the discussion.
I would like to know how many of us used 220 film when it was available and do you think it should come back?
I think it is a shame that it is not still around it means that a lot of people have kit sitting around that they cannot use.
__________________
Mitch

http://photomi7ch.blogspot.com/

If you eliminate the impossible whatever remains no matter how improbable must be the truth.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 13th January 2021, 10:46 AM
Paulographic Paulographic is offline
Friend
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Mid Pennines
Posts: 778
Default

I have a 220 6x4.5 back for my Bronica SQ system and have used 120 film in it without problem. Keep winding and firing after exposure 12 until it goes slack. It winds on tighter but doesn't seem to give any extra curl after drying.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 13th January 2021, 11:02 AM
Mike O'Pray Mike O'Pray is offline
Friend
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Daventry, Northants
Posts: 7,839
Default

There has been a long discussion on another forum on this topic but in summary there would appear to be little or no likelihood of the any of the main film makers bringing it back due to the cost of re-establishing the machinery vis a vis the demand
for 220. In fact I think it was Simon Galley, late of Harman, who actually was prepared to make this statement on behalf of Harman. Others who seem to know a bit about the internals of Kodak say the same kind of thing. Fuji is a bit of an unknown quantity in terms of the resurrection of 220 but it is ever likely to remain that way

I have never used 220 and were it to come back then I almost certainly would fall into the seldom if ever use it category

Not wishing to divert the thread but for information one of the consequences of no 220 film is that in the case of Pentax 645 cameras there are now many more 220 inserts than 120 inserts and if a day arrives when 120 inserts cannot be obtained for love nor money then this will be a shame unless owners are prepared to alter the insert. it is a very easy alteration but is not one that Pentax recommends or authorises

So why make it possible and so easy to do? It's a good question and while there may be some evidence that the alteration in theory at least might put additional strain on the camera's motor that powers the insert a lot of owners have done it without issue so far

As far as I am aware only Shanghai has on what seems to be a very small scale almost manual operation, started to make 220. So small scale in fact that the only retailer seems to be one or two gents who seem to be buying 220 for onward sale at a premium naturally.

Mike
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 13th January 2021, 12:54 PM
skellum's Avatar
skellum skellum is offline
Friend
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Isle of Lewis
Posts: 1,059
Default

120 is probably my most used format, but I would have no interest in the return of 220.
I find the length of 120 very easy to handle in a changing bag, and convenient when hanging to dry. I also really like having just 12 frames to a roll. Each roll is used more quickly, processed more promptly, and I find I am almost never stuck with a half-used roll in a camera while wanting to use a different film (none of my roll cameras have interchangeable backs).
I understand that some folk might find 24 or 30 shots to a roll handy, and there are probably some economies in processing, but I suspect the market for 220 is very small.

Good luck though just in case someone decides to revive it.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 13th January 2021, 02:34 PM
photomi7ch's Avatar
photomi7ch photomi7ch is offline
Friend
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 2,359
Default

I would use 220 if it came back the extra frames would be handy for those times I'm on a long trek removing the need to stop and reload.
I have noted a ground swell of people saying they would like to see it's return.

Maybe manufactures should produce 120 in bulk form that way we would have the choice of 120 or 220. There would be no extra cost to produce just cut it in longer lengths.

Remember you heard it here first
__________________
Mitch

http://photomi7ch.blogspot.com/

If you eliminate the impossible whatever remains no matter how improbable must be the truth.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 13th January 2021, 04:17 PM
Nat Polton Nat Polton is offline
Friend
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 301
Default

Some time ago I was looking for a Bronica SQa Polaroid back to cut up in order to take Rollei cut film holders.

I cannot understand why Polaroid backs that have no film available, and 220 backs that are also unsupported with film are being advertised for such ridiculously high prices in camera shops.

Cheers.
__________________
It will all be over by Christmas.
Reply With Quote
Reply
Support our Sponsors, they keep FADU free:   AG Photographic   Keyphoto   The Imaging Warehouse   Process Supplies   RH Designs   RK Photo   Second-hand Darkroom Supplies   Silverprint Ltd

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mamiya RZ67 pro ii Inc film back seadonyoung Sale or Wanted 0 25th January 2019 10:29 PM
Polaroid 405 film back TonyMiller Sale or Wanted 3 2nd February 2014 06:23 PM
ETRS film back problem walsh Cameras - medium format 15 5th May 2011 09:52 PM
Bronica film back repairs Kev M Cameras - medium format 10 21st August 2010 07:38 AM
Mamiya RB67 Pro SD 120 film back Deryck Photography in general 3 14th October 2009 07:07 AM


All times are GMT. The time now is 06:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.