Disgraceful decription.

[vanannan]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DEVERE-504...item4192fa9360

Listings like this make my blood boil.

[Rob Archer]

They look home-made to me!

[B&W Neil]

This is nothing to get steamed up about

De Vere never made a panoramic negative carrier insert for the XPAN's panoramic negs. So if you want a dedicated neg insert to take these 35mm film panoramic negs you have to make one yourself, or get a friendly engineer to knock something up for you. This item is a pair of filed out 35mm De Vere inserts - for XPAN negs. OK, it is crudely done but it will do the trick and will hold the XPAN panoramic negs nice and flat - much better than a card one.

How do I know? I did this myself about 12 years ago and I'm still using the insert today. I simply picked up a cheap (when they were cheap!) De Vere 35mm insert on eBay and filed it out. In fact I filed my effort out a tad more than this one so that I could print that lovely irregular boarder effect around my image, just like some 35mm photographers used to do many years ago - it looks nice and arty too.

However, I must admit this insert does look a bit pricey but if you have an XPAN, and a De Vere, it may save you the cost of buying a 35mm DE Vere insert (now quite expensive) and doing the job yourself.

Neil.

[vanannan]

Originally Posted by B&W Neil

This is nothing to get steamed up about

De Vere never made a panoramic negative carrier insert for the XPAN's panoramic negs. So if you want a dedicated neg insert to take these 35mm film panoramic negs you have to make one yourself, or get a friendly engineer to knock something up for you. This item is a pair of filed out 35mm De Vere inserts - for XPAN negs. OK, it is crudely done but it will do the trick and will hold the XPAN panoramic negs nice and flat - much better than a card one.

How do I know? I did this myself about 12 years ago and I'm still using the insert today. I simply picked up a cheap (when they were cheap!) De Vere 35mm insert on eBay and filed it out. In fact I filed my effort out a tad more than this one so that I could print that lovely irregular boarder effect around my image, just like some 35mm photographers used to do many years ago - it looks nice and arty too.

However, I must admit this insert does look a bit pricey but if you have an XPAN, and a De Vere, it may save you the cost of buying a 35mm DE Vere insert (now quite expensive) and doing the job yourself.

Neil.

I have also made a pair of 35mm panoramic carrier inserts for my DV504 by enlarging the aperture of a standard 35mm by very carefully hacksawing and fine filing, this example looks like it has been cut out with a blunt cold chisel and a lump hammer

[B&W Neil]

Originally Posted by vanannan

I have also made a pair of 35mm panoramic carrier inserts for my DV504 by enlarging the aperture of a standard 35mm by very carefully hacksawing and fine filing, this example looks like it has been cut out with a blunt cold chisel and a lump hammer

Just as well you are not in the market for one then

Neil.

[Steve Smith]

Originally Posted by vanannan

this example looks like it has been cut out with a blunt cold chisel and a lump hammer

Is there a better way?!!


Steve.

[John King]

Yes possibly with a sharpened tin opener! They cannot be any worse finish

[Lostlabours]

Having made negative carrier inserts in the past for my Durst and Johnsons enlargers I wouldn't damage De Vere carriers to end up with such a poor finish.

It's better to start with new aluminium sheet, which I bought last year and must get around to cutting to make 6x17 and 7x5 carriers for my De Vere 5108

Ian

[GoodOldNorm]

The best way to do it is to do a 5 year apprenticeship at British Steel as a Fitter. You would have all the skills to do a simple job like that and much more. Wait a minute! There are no apprenticeships for Machine Shop Fitters and Britsh Steel is no more.

[John King]

Do I detect cynicism?