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Adrian.
You should have bought all that gold toner off me cheap when you were picking up the photo paper from my house Steve |
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I've made my own Gold Toner using Ilford's formula but I had access to Gold Chloride. I still have some 1g ampules and some fine gold to make my own.
It helps that I worked in Precious metal recovery for 16 years Ian |
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Adrian, Unfortunately, the price of old toner started to rise dramactically just after the end of 2011. I was lucky at the beginning of the year to be able to pick up a couple of litres before the price reached the price it is now. The future looks bleak I am afraid with this toner and I can see a lot of people (including me!) taking it off their shopping lists. Neil.
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Like Ian I used to mix my own gold chloride toners. The one I favoured was the three bath;
Soln. A: thiourea..........3,5g distilled water..............250ml Soln.B: citric acid.........3.5g distilled water..............250ml Soln. C: gold chloride....1g distilled water..............250ml Use one part of each + 10 parts water. I still have a couple of 1g ampules and about 50ml of gold chloride solution. And no this is not a hint for me wanting to sell them
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You are not wrong. Unfortunately I have let the cat out of the bag. I have not forgotten about the enlarger by the way. I will be in touch very soon.
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its a shame that they don't make fools gold toner.
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Maybe they do. Setting aside the alleged lack of longevity might not blue toner suitably over-washed to reduce the blue, work to give a blue grey effect?
Comparing a print of mine which was CT Ilford paper with CT Ilford developer to the Dave Miller print which I have already mentioned, it had just a hint of blue-grey while admittedly not fully matching Dave's print. OK said in jest but might there be ways of getting close to the gold toner effect with other chemicals? I just don't know enough about toners or chemicals to say, hence what may be a ludicrous suggestion above Mike |
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Mike, This can be achieved but it is difficult and the result never looks quite the same. The main problem being the iron blue toners available today tone all of the print and affect the highlights and shadows the same. These toners are also very prone to staining if not used correctly. Whereas gold toner is easy to use and it affects mainly the highlights so delicate split tones can be achieved which is why it is such a loved toner. Gold toner also works well with other toners and will produce other tones than blue. It is very effective when used with selenium and thiocarbamide. There used to be a bleach-back blue toner a few years ago that was much better that the iron based blue toners and split tones could be achieved with it that were far more convincing but alas it is no more. There are formulas available for a bleach-back blue toner but some hard to get chemicals are involved. If the price of gold toner keeps escalating hopefully this will tempt a manufacturer to bring out a bleach-back blue toner at an affordable price Neil.
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Additionally with iron toners you don't get that nice peachy pink when you combine gold toners with either sulphide or thiourea toners.
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