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Old 10th February 2023, 07:54 PM
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I came across this posted advert on the website of what was one of the biggest film sellers in the North West of England.
How long has the old Jessops been out of business 8-10-12 years (It wasn't on any Jessops website) In all the excitement I forgot!

Nine quid for an out of date film, when new in date film is still available if you look. I thought scams like this were the prerogative of Ebay! As far as I am aware The new incarnation of Jessops has never sold film.
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Old 10th February 2023, 10:42 PM
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Doesn't surprise me in the slightest, especially as it is C41 colour film

Consumer " Gee, why charge £9 for an out of date film!"

Seller : "I did give this a lot of thought and realised that was as much as I could expect you to pay but don't worry this is not a fixed. If it sells quickly enough I will charge more"

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Old 11th February 2023, 08:47 AM
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It appears they only have one and as it is not in a sealed box, there is no guarantee it has not be pulled out of the cassette and rewound.

Yes I am an eternal cynic
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Old 11th February 2023, 01:39 PM
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It never surprises me John how much sellers will try and sell out of date film for, and it surprises me even more at how many buyers are interested in buying it!

I personally sold a bag of old b/w film on eBay that I had in the back of my fridge a while back and the price obtained was way above the cost of new film, which I prefer. It seems that some like the excitement of not knowing if the negatives will develop correctly or will be fogged or have other defects. Each to their own.

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Old 13th February 2023, 08:56 AM
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When I used to get the Analogue Wonderbox one month I got an expired colour film that was supposedly kept in chilled storage but the results were terrible. That with the weird specialist films you were getting made me cancel the subscription. I have just looked on their website to see expired Lucky Super film at £8 for 12 exposures, I can't understand why you would want to buy that.

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Old 13th February 2023, 03:11 PM
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I’m struggling to understand this thread.
Firstly, eBay isn’t a retailer of any goods. It’s a business that offers a platform for others to buy and sell things. In general, the world is a better place for it when I can buy some obscure article that I need, and the seller in France,for example, no longer has a need for it. Without eBay, we wouldn’t connect.
Secondly, what is wrong with selling film that has passed the expiry date? It would only be an issue if the seller was falsely claiming it was within date. eBay actually offers protection to the buyer in such circumstances. In any purchase I have made through eBay, where the article has been misdescribed, I have had a full refund.
There is then the question of whether or not people should buy, sell and use outdated film. Why not, as long as everyone knows what they are doing. I personally think it is good that film products continue to be used even when expired. Given the current appetite for out of date film on the secondhand market, I would have no issue offering for sale any that I no longer required.
I also think that a lot of people opt for expired film as a cheaper alternative to buying fresh stock. I’ve bought quite a bit of outdated film over the years, and have had no major disappointment.
I think that overall, I’m just left wondering why eBay, which doesn’t seem to have any connection to the picture in the first post, is even mentioned.
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Old 13th February 2023, 04:13 PM
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As far as I am aware The new incarnation of Jessops has never sold film.
I thought so too, after briefly looking at the front page of their website John.

But, by either wading through the drop down menus or as I found out later, typing some key words into their search box, like 'film', it turns out that they do indeed stock a good range of films, both b/w and colour. Not the cheapest around though.

https://www.jessops.com/consumables/film

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Old 13th February 2023, 04:38 PM
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I thought so too, after briefly looking at the front page of their website John.

But, by either wading through the drop down menus or as I found out later, typing some key words into their search box, like 'film', it turns out that they do indeed stock a good range of films, both b/w and colour. Not the cheapest around though.

https://www.jessops.com/consumables/film

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But remarkably non of the films displayed on their website is of their own brand and that film in question is unmistakably the old style logo and colours of the original company.
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Old 13th February 2023, 05:30 PM
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I’m struggling to understand this thread.
Firstly, eBay isn’t a retailer of any goods. It’s a business that offers a platform for others to buy and sell things. In general, the world is a better place for it when I can buy some obscure article that I need, and the seller in France,for example, no longer has a need for it. Without eBay, we wouldn’t connect.
Secondly, what is wrong with selling film that has passed the expiry date? It would only be an issue if the seller was falsely claiming it was within date. eBay actually offers protection to the buyer in such circumstances. In any purchase I have made through eBay, where the article has been misdescribed, I have had a full refund.
There is then the question of whether or not people should buy, sell and use outdated film. Why not, as long as everyone knows what they are doing. I personally think it is good that film products continue to be used even when expired. Given the current appetite for out of date film on the secondhand market, I would have no issue offering for sale any that I no longer required.
I also think that a lot of people opt for expired film as a cheaper alternative to buying fresh stock. I’ve bought quite a bit of outdated film over the years, and have had no major disappointment.
I think that overall, I’m just left wondering why eBay, which doesn’t seem to have any connection to the picture in the first post, is even mentioned.
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As you quite correctly mention eBay does not sell the items displayed on their pages, but facilitates the sale of goods. However some of the articles you suggest are sold on to a better home are fully functional and will continue to be of use to the buyer. A well out of film does not come into that category.

However the similarity of the technique of advertising does in this instance bear a remarkably similar cavalier attitude. To the un-initiated a film is a film. But to those who should have the knowledge must realise that to sell colour film film that is possibly as much as 10 years out of date is just asking for a complaint by the consumer. Whilst not quite illegal by the seller, it comes very very close to the bounds of what could be defined in the Theft Act as dishonest.

If we buy something in the likes of Tesco's if the use by date is very close they discount the price quite heavily, not as in this case and almost certainly gone past it by a large margin, hike it up possibly as much as 300%!

You also mention getting a refund from E Bay if goods are faulty. All well and good but in the case of film if it happens to be used for something that will be impossible to photograph again then a refund will hardly fit the bill - will it?

I think most of us have seen or heard about the images displayed on E Bay where packets of light sensitive photographic paper have been offered for sale and described as 'new', but the packets were opened and the 'unused' paper displayed exposed to light. To those not very knowledgeable may not realise that it is now useless! This is much the same as selling a dodgy film.

I do think that eBay and other similar sites don't really care if a user is 'duped' into buying something, but relying on the Latin phrase Caveat Emptor or 'Buyer Beware' and this should also apply in this case, but if a buyer doesn't know the obvious (to us) the age of the film and that it must surely have deteriorated, it is at best, just a little bit cheeky!
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Old 13th February 2023, 08:25 PM
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I have to say that, as far as I can see, the only people buying film nowadays are those who have an active interest in it. There can be very few people around who still regard a film camera as the means of producing family snaps. The type of people who would have happily picked up a pack of film at the supermarket, along with the weekly shop, and dropped it into the local minilab six months later with Christmas, a birthday or two and the family holidays on it. Those film users moved on to digital, years ago, and are now most likely using their phones.
If you use film now you are either an ‘older’ enthusiast who has used it for serious photography for years, (like a lot of people here) or a young and trendy person who wants to experience the magic of film. Either way, you know from years of experience, or from learning through books and online resources, that film has an expiry date.
I suspect that most people who buy expired film do so deliberately, and in the knowledge that it may not perform as originally intended. As for using it for irreplaceable shots, the film companies themselves always excluded any such liability if their products failed. The best you would get was the replacement cost of the material. I am sure that remains the case.
These youngsters who seem to be fascinated by all aspects of film cameras and photography, including expired film, are helping keep the whole thing alive. Long may it continue.
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