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Old 8th March 2021, 04:01 PM
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Thanks Nat

I'm using a diffuser which definitely helps over the condensor I was using.

The wine gum method is fascinating! The other possibility is to use special calligraphy ink made from charcoal and gum arabic. I have some somewhere and may try it.

btw. I have tried a few kolinsky sable brushes but now only use Windsor & Newton Royal Series 7 - nothing else comes close
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Old 8th March 2021, 04:44 PM
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Winsor and Newton Series 7 are the Rolls Royce of water colour brushes.
Expensive, but if looked after will last for years. I have a few over thirty years old and still going strong.

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Old 9th March 2021, 11:25 AM
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Winsor and Newton Series 7 are the Rolls Royce of water colour brushes.
Expensive, but if looked after will last for years.
The cost of my brushes varied but looking up the above on ebay.... Wow!!! They are costly, but as the two of you say, they're worth it, especially if they last a long time if looked after.

I'll put them on my wish list for now.

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Old 9th March 2021, 05:15 PM
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I would urge caution about using any abrasive at all on the surface of the print. The dye used will have penetrated into the emulsion and to eradicate it, or even merely reduce it, will leave a mark which is possibly worse than the spot that is too dark.

I would try on another waste print where you to see if it can be reduced by using dilute household bleach applied by a spotting brush. It will not happen straight away but that may reduce or even eliminate the darker tone. It should not affect the image nearby.

Once the offending mark is reduced, you can then carefully re-spot it but using a more dilute dye than before.
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Old 11th March 2021, 03:30 PM
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Uwe, I've mentioned it before, but I've tried all sorts of things when spotting. As for the Spotone inks, I have the 6 bottle kit and for basic b/w prints, I just can't get a shade to match my (mainly) Ilford papers. Even the neutral black ink, when diluted and left to dry before use, comes out as a shade of dark blue on a print and the recommended mixes that come with the inks never seem to produce the right colour or tone.

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You often need to take your bottles of Spotone and mix the colours together to get just the right shade of black.

Scrap prints are a must for trying out whether you have the exact colour match or not.

I'm never sure if you really need the exact colour - close enough not to be noticeable is fine.

Spotting can be "fun" when you are in the mood.

I remember years ago spotting some prints for an exhibition - the closer you look the more white spots you found. However, when comparing an unspotted to a spotted print, the spotted print looked much better even though the spots were not clear and obvious.

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Old 11th March 2021, 04:57 PM
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Spotone is the best way to go and it's critical to match image colour (warmth) or it's going to be noticeable, You also need to build the colour up slowly, the principle isn't to try and make an exact match rather to reach a point where the spot becomes un-noiceable.

I've one negative where I was shooting udergrapund in an abandonded MAnganese mine and my arm and flash gun show up, I had three others helping me paint the cavern with light



I was around the entrance to the adit to the right, it took me asome time to retouch it wasn't difficult just painstaking. I did it in two step rather than rush it.

Somewhere I have a Johnson's retouching kit with dried out dyes easy to rejuvenate and a set of three different colour blocks of dye for B&W retouching. These thingas appear at Camera Fairs but mine came over 20 years ago in a job lot of darkroom equipment.

The advantage of using these specialist dyes is it's easy to colour match and the results are invisible when done right.

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Old 11th March 2021, 07:46 PM
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Martin mentioned mixing the colours.
Secondhand Spotone is some times seen on sale without the mixing instructions. Here is a copy of mine.
I had to do it in two images as the paper is unusually large. Larger than A4 at least.

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