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Old 9th March 2018, 11:16 AM
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Hi Ian,

I saw that video as well but thought he was saying "tray processed". I could well be wrong. Your point remains valid, though. Again, he invents a term "minimally agitated" or "extreme minimal agitation" because if he said stand or semi-stand then no one would feel the need to buy his videos.

Every YouTube video he shows is a teaser. He produces an example that seems to show his Power of Process is the bee's knees in that hope that the viewer will be sufficiently curious to shell out.

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Bruce, I think Sandy King was using minimal agitation with Pyrocat quite a lote earlier tahn Steve Sherman. I've had contact with Snady over the years discussing his methods.

There's a difference between minimal agitation which might be 4 inversions cycles during say 15 mins of development and the extreme minimal agitation that Steve Sherman refers to, which is his take on stand development.

Yes I was assuming tray development in Steve's example, I should have put that in. I'm not against Steve's techniques, I just find he's over describing the advantages etc.

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To be fair to Steve Sherman, he does go back a long way. I first came across him over 20 years go when he was a regular on the Michael and Paula forum, posting about minimal agitation development techniques he was working on, using Pyrocat and very large negatives which he contact printed. I believe he liked to photograph in flat light and minimal agitation boosted the micro contrast and helped to give the prints a distinct look. In other words he was using the technique for a specific reason. At the time it was likened to the effect you could get by using USM in Photoshop when printing digitally.
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Alan, I discussed this point (use with ULF contact prints) in threads with Steve.

EMA like stand development, is not a universal panacea to achieve high quality consistent results. In Steve's case it relates to improved apparent sharpness with contact prints (as you say).

Many (well some) of us can remember the Acutance developers of the 60's and 70's Kodak HDD, Ilford Hyfin, Paterson Acutol and Acutol-S, Johnsons Definol and Crawley's published formulae. These all gave quite strong acutance effects with normal agitation.

Acutol gave reasonable but noticeable acutance compared to say ID-11/D76 with a slight increase in grain, Acutol-S gave quite exaggerated acutance, graphic, gariny and unpleasant in a 10x8 print off a 35mm negative, unless that was the look you were after. It worked better with 10x8 prints from 120 or larger negatives.

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Hi Ian,

Again, he invents a term "minimally agitated" or "extreme minimal agitation" because if he said stand or semi-stand then no one would feel the need to buy his videos.



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