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Old 22nd July 2020, 11:16 AM
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Sadly I didn't have a camera with me but I was in Town this morning but I passed a charity shop and there in the window was 3 boxes of 12x16 mgfb paper, the boxes were all open and the contents were displayed for all to see, and presumably to buy, I did go in and politely pointed that the paper inside the boxes was light sensitive and should only be opened in darkroom conditions, they were very surprised, the young lady, the only one there, and who had put the paper out that morning, said she hadn't heard of this type of paper, and wanted to know how you would work a printer in the dark? i explained about darkroom prints, chemicals Ect and the paper was very quickly taken out of the window and disposed of, If only I had taken a camera, most Humorus shot or saddest photo?
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Old 22nd July 2020, 12:43 PM
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Sadly I didn't have a camera with me but I was in Town this morning but I passed a charity shop and there in the window was 3 boxes of 12x16 mgfb paper, the boxes were all open and the contents were displayed for all to see... If only I had taken a camera, most Humorus shot or saddest photo?
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Not only if you had had a camera, you may have got a humorous or a sad shot, but also if you had been passing a bit earlier in the day Richard, you may well have gotten yourself a good deal on some unopened boxes of FB paper! So as well as always having a camera with you, a few pounds in ones pocket can sometime come in very useful!

But what a shame and a total waste of presumably good darkroom paper.

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Old 22nd July 2020, 12:49 PM
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Yes some money is always handy, but over here it must be a card, no one will take cash any more, signs everywhere contactless or cards only, but for me the really sad thing was that the young lady,(school girl on holiday) didn't seem to have heard of darkroom paper, although that is rare here, most schools do teach both darkroom and digital togather, maybe blame Covid and children 3 or more months away from school?
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Old 22nd July 2020, 01:32 PM
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Some papers carry an obvious warning to open only in complete darkness. I can’t recall if Ilford does, but it’s a good idea. Having said that, it’s difficult to understand why the boxes had to be opened at all, especially all three. It is sad for the person donating the goods that they made no money for the charity.
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Old 22nd July 2020, 02:31 PM
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In fact I;ford, at least the Classic, has no warm=ning about opening only in the darkroom, at least I can't see any on the outside of a used box, only safelight light brown in tiny print along the edge of the box, as you say, great shame for the person who donated it to the charity,
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Old 22nd July 2020, 06:55 PM
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Yes some money is always handy, but over here it must be a card, no one will take cash any more, signs everywhere contactless or cards only, but for me the really sad thing was that the young lady,(school girl on holiday) didn't seem to have heard of darkroom paper, although that is rare here, most schools do teach both darkroom and digital togather, maybe blame Covid and children 3 or more months away from school?
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Richard,

The young lady may well have been 'taught' darkroom at school but did it sink in ?

I guess you will remember from your school days having to sit through endless lessons that didn't interest you ? It's the same with today's generation of youngsters who have grown up to make pics only on their phones - from a very early age!

Sadly - it's all history now and very few of the current generation will ever take up the love of the 'dark art'.

TBH I am not surprised she didn't have a clue about how to use darkroom paper :-(

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Old 22nd July 2020, 07:33 PM
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Neil, surprisingly their are some, in the younger age group, who are ''Discovering''analogue photography for the first time, as if it the latest thing, When I did weekend courses 3 or 4 times a year, sadly now gone due the dreaded Covid 19, (Can't practise social distancing in the darkroom) I got quite a few of around 18 to 25 year olds who, they told me, had become disenchanted with the world of digital and computers, they worked with the computers all day, loved photography, but were getting sick of computers at home, besides, so many of them said, they new what they could do with digital and computers, had never known anything else, so they came along to find out what this darkroom and film photography was all about, and many of them went away,happy, and kept in touch, and carried on with the film and darkroom world as well as digi, And before I retired I also taught traditional photography a couple of days a week in a local school, and I still see some of my old students out with film cameras, and still get asked advice about a darkroom problem, sadly, though not all schools over here still teach traditional work,but the couple I taught at still have their darkrooms up and running and busy, so some would have known better
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Actually I find it rather ominous for the future of the darkroom when we have got to the stage where few if any below the age of maybe as high as 35 can now can recall or even have a distant bell ring that there was once paper that was printed by exposure under an enlarger in controlled light and then chemically printed in a darkroom

There may be a revival in film, although my jury is still out on (a) how big it is and (b) how sustainable but it is interesting that none of the film good-news pundits ever even mention the darkroom side of printing

Frankly the evidence I see from the likes of Photrio is that it is almost a 100% hybrid population among the "newcomers" to film


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This thread has reminded me of a story told by a friend who at the time was working in a local camera shop. Apparently two students from the nearby college came in and between them bought a 100sheet box 10x8 RC MGIV. They then stood outside the shop, opened the box and divided the paper into two equal piles. One lad taking away his share in the box, and the other using the black bag.
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Neil, surprisingly their are some, in the younger age group, who are ''Discovering''analogue photography for the first time, as if it the latest thing, When I did weekend courses 3 or 4 times a year, sadly now gone due the dreaded Covid 19, (Can't practise social distancing in the darkroom) I got quite a few of around 18 to 25 year olds who, they told me, had become disenchanted with the world of digital and computers, they worked with the computers all day, loved photography, but were getting sick of computers at home, besides, so many of them said, they new what they could do with digital and computers, had never known anything else, so they came along to find out what this darkroom and film photography was all about, and many of them went away,happy, and kept in touch, and carried on with the film and darkroom world as well as digi, And before I retired I also taught traditional photography a couple of days a week in a local school, and I still see some of my old students out with film cameras, and still get asked advice about a darkroom problem, sadly, though not all schools over here still teach traditional work,but the couple I taught at still have their darkrooms up and running and busy, so some would have known better
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That's good news Richard.

Obviously there are some UK schools still with analogue facilities but alas I fear they are far and few.

I guess the point I was trying to make was even if it is taught, if your interest is elsewhere - not much of it will stick.

Maybe your young lady in the charity shop was one of them ?

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