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Old 4th April 2022, 04:16 PM
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Default ID11 - has it got easier to mix ?

When I started off in photography about 40 years ago, mixing up ID11 used to be a pain.

It used to take ages to get first the contents of packet A to dissolve and then even longer for all of packet B.

Yesterday, I made up a new batch of ID11 and both packets A and B both dissolved easily, in next to no time.

Then when I filtered the stock solution, there was almost no content left in the filter.

I remember when I started, there were always plenty of bits of grit and other things left behind including the occasional dead flea.

Have the quality of the ingredients improved dramatically over the years or are the rose tinted spectacles kicking in ?

What is everyone else's experiences ?

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Old 4th April 2022, 04:30 PM
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I find mixing it up from scratch quick and easy (and cheaper!) and your post has reminded me that I need to make a new batch, having finished my bottle of stock yesterday.

And so far, I may have had the odd bit of crystal left in the bottom of the bottle when making some, but so far, no flea of any description. That really is a new one on me!

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Old 4th April 2022, 07:59 PM
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I have started mixing ID11 in warm water around 30C and yes it does mix easier than it used to when mixed at 20C.
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I have started mixing ID11 in warm water around 30C and yes it does mix easier than it used to when mixed at 20C.
Why don't you follow Ilford's instructions and mix it at 40 degrees C ?

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Why don't you follow Ilford's instructions and mix it at 40 degrees C ?

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I used to mix it before temperatures were recommended (quite a while ago) and when I noticed Kodak Ektacolour RA4 developer also had to be mixed at 35-40C degrees I thought I would change the mixing with ID11 but at a lower temp. Once something works for me I rarely read the instructions again
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I can remembering noticing this change, but it was a long time ago, maybe 20 years back at a guess? I guess they just grind the chemicals a lot finer now? No time wasted trying to mash the last few crystals with a glass rod.
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I can remembering noticing this change, but it was a long time ago, maybe 20 years back at a guess? I guess they just grind the chemicals a lot finer now? No time wasted trying to mash the last few crystals with a glass rod.
That sort of accords with my experience in that I started using ID11 about 18 years ago after my nightschool darkroom course where the developer was ID11

I no doubt followed Ilford's instructions so if these were to dissolve at 40 C then that is what I would have done. Certainly I cannot recall any problem in dissolving the crystals but my memory may be faulty in that my last use of ID11 was probably more than 14 years ago when I emigrated to other developers. Not because there was anything wrong with IDII but simply a novice's desire to try other things.

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I can remembering noticing this change, but it was a long time ago, maybe 20 years back at a guess? I guess they just grind the chemicals a lot finer now? No time wasted trying to mash the last few crystals with a glass rod.
Yes, it has been a lot easier for quite some time now - but I cannot remember a distinct change point.

I couldn't decide if my memory is getting a bit dodgy or if it is a real thing.

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OTOH - it could be folks have just got better at mixing it, through experience

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OTOH - it could be folks have just got better at mixing it, through experience

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Not so, Neil, there really was a definite change. I daresay if anyone has old Ilford adverts, packaging or instructions kicking around, they'd be able to find an announcement about it.
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