YouTube - making a big print

[cliveh]

Originally Posted by Tony Marlow

Perhaps with subdued lighting and a wish to reproduce an exact record of the scene this may be the case but if you wish to create something beyond a straight record then dodging and burning are your tools. Artists always start with a clean sheet but how many of the successful ones produce an exact copy of the scene or subject of their choice? They put in something extra which is unique to them. Why shouldn't photographers do the same?

Tony

Tony, I totally agree, but can’t help feeling that sometimes they are trying to demonstrate some mystical magic for the sake of it and can’t see the wood for the trees.

[rubenmg]

What I find interesting is the fact that whenever you see these types of promotional films they always seem to be dodging or burning in

Prejudices, prejudices and more prejudices. Burning and dodging are my tools to sculping ligth in print, the exposure was perfect, this negative didn´t need burning to be a good print, but needed burning and dodging to be my print.

Hi Rubén - no hard feelings I hope. If someone if putting his work on display it is there to be judged. And there are so many great photos from your portfolio to choose from - like your Cuban portraits - that could be included in your video instead of the "rusty stairs" in my opinion. And as Jon said "Beauty is in the eye of beholder" - I'm merely expressing my view which, I hope, I'm entitled to.

Of course, no hard feeleings!!! But this photo is part of my work, and is very special for me and other persons. For us is not only rusty stairs, this stairs are part of a lot of people whose parents and grandparents were railway in Spanish postwar, and is the only witness, because the house collapsed a few months after making this photo and these neighborhood does not exist now. If you prefer Cuban portait you can see this other video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvVmqYKJLfQ


Rubén

[DaveP]

I quite liked that video, interesting to watch for someone like me who doesn't have a darkroom. Good choice of winebar music too. I've learnt something AND now I feel a bit funkier too in a sleazy kind of way.

And as photos of rusty staircases co, I though it was pretty successful.

[Graeme]

Clive, have you an assumption there about what is necessary - necessary for what - a full range of tones, etc, etc, - maybe the dodging and burning is to achieve vision, or realise this ethereal "soul" some of us seem to be reaching for.....? Forgive me, but I'm not sure I can concur with the concept of a correct lighting ratio etc, it seems subjective to me, IMHO.

Originally Posted by cliveh

What I find interesting is the fact that whenever you see these types of promotional films they always seem to be dodging or burning in. If you photograph something with the correct lighting ratio for the film you are using and get the exposure and development right, this is often not necessary.

[cliveh]

Originally Posted by rubenmg

Prejudices, prejudices and more prejudices. Burning and dodging are my tools to sculping ligth in print, the exposure was perfect, this negative didn´t need burning to be a good print, but needed burning and dodging to be my print.


Of course, no hard feeleings!!! But this photo is part of my work, and is very special for me and other persons. For us is not only rusty stairs, this stairs are part of a lot of people whose parents and grandparents were railway in Spanish postwar, and is the only witness, because the house collapsed a few months after making this photo and these neighborhood does not exist now. If you prefer Cuban portait you can see this other video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvVmqYKJLfQ


Rubén

Rubén, I do apologise, as I am only commenting on an image as seen cold and out of personal context. I was trying to make a general statement and did not mean to criticize your own personal vision in context with this particular image.

[cliveh]

Originally Posted by Graeme

Clive, have you an assumption there about what is necessary - necessary for what - a full range of tones, etc, etc, - maybe the dodging and burning is to achieve vision, or realise this ethereal "soul" some of us seem to be reaching for.....? Forgive me, but I'm not sure I can concur with the concept of a correct lighting ratio etc, it seems subjective to me, IMHO.

Graeme, if you are saying that burning and dodging is necessary for your personal vision/interpretation of the image, then this is very comparable to Photoshop manipulation and devoid of original integrity related to original scene.

[rubenmg]

Rubén, I do apologise, as I am only commenting on an image as seen cold and out of personal context. I was trying to make a general statement and did not mean to criticize your own personal vision in context with this particular image.

Trasmit feelings throught writting in forums is difficult, but trasmit fellings throught writting in forums in English is imposible!!!!

Do not misunderstand my dullness with the language, I hope not transmit anger because is otherwise!!! I love to share experiences and feel these debates!

Regards,

Ruben

[rubenmg]

Graeme, if you are saying that burning and dodging is necessary for your personal vision/interpretation of the image, then this is very comparable to Photoshop manipulation and devoid of original integrity related to original scene.

In my opinion burning and dodging are tools of sculping light; photoshop is an digital emulation of these tools.

Ruben

[MartyNL]

Really like the images Ruben.

And what a transformation between your old and new darkroom!

What's your opinion of the RH Designs Analyser Pro, does it make a difference?

[RH Designs]

Originally Posted by cliveh

Graeme, if you are saying that burning and dodging is necessary for your personal vision/interpretation of the image, then this is very comparable to Photoshop manipulation and devoid of original integrity related to original scene.

Therein lies the difference between record photography and photography as art.