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Old 10th December 2008, 09:00 PM
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I was looking on the Silverprint site earlier and noticed a piece on a new soft working developer that may be of interest to you. It’s on the front page and titled “The Other Multigrade. Also, following on from an earlier thread, I see that they will now deliver 10 litre quantities of Ilford chemicals.
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Old 10th December 2008, 11:31 PM
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Well there's a strange thing because I have been assured by both Silverprint and RK that the problem with delivering chemicals is the courier companies who won't do it. Although RK do have a courier who will but they think they will stop soon. So how come silverprint can suddenly deliver liquids? Have they changed courier? And how come any chemicals get delivered to any retail outlet. The stories they give don't seem to add up.
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Well there's a strange thing because I have been assured by both Silverprint and RK that the problem with delivering chemicals is the courier companies who won't do it. Although RK do have a courier who will but they think they will stop soon. So how come silverprint can suddenly deliver liquids? Have they changed courier? And how come any chemicals get delivered to any retail outlet. The stories they give don't seem to add up.
I guess different carriers have different rules.
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Old 11th December 2008, 01:51 PM
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Agfa Adaptol and Kodak Selectol-Soft were often used solely or in conjunction with a normal or vigorous contrast print developer for obtaining intermediate contrast with graded papers. These are soft working print developers where Metol (Elon) is often the sole developing agent. Tetenal used to sell a similar liquid concentrate called Centrabrom-S. Ansel Adams liked Kodak Dektol with Selectol-Soft.
There are many home brew variants including Dr.Beers soft and hard developers and Kodak D-165 which uses Metol-(Elon) only as the reducing agent. As Speedibrews make D-163, I wouldn`t be surprised if `Adaptol II` is close to, if not the actual D-165 formula. I`m not sure of the relevance of these type of developers now with modern variable contrast papers.
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Carriers will carry pretty much anything if you are willing to pay extra for special items. Note that Silverprint levy an extra £5 carriage charge on the 10l stuff which I'm sure is just passing on the carriers extra charge for such heavy and potentially hazardous (as far as the carriers are concerned) liquids.

Re' softworking developers: people still use graded papers so I can see a small market (then again, these days, any b&w developer is a small market )...
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Seems like good news. £5 isn't bad for carrying 10L, given the weight and the economy of using 10L.

It says "expansion" to me when you might expect contraction.

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Well its good that they are now delivering some chemicals but before you rush out and order just bear in mind that Ilfords "Direct 2 Dealer" service can be cheaper if you have a participating dealer in your vacinity.


Silverprint price for 10l of Hypam plus delivery is £65.74

from Ilford D2D it is £51.98 as carriage is free for anything over £45. You just need to be able to pick it up from a participating dealer. I have used this service via London Camera exchange and it works fine. I expect Jessops do it too.
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I expect Jessops do it too.
Handy if they did but it appears that Jessops do not take part in this scheme. For interest I have tried several post codes from around the country and the coverage appears to be quite patchy. Some give several nearby dealers (Nottingham and Maidstone) while others have no dealers within 20 miles (Barrow and Fordham). That distance is a straight line distance, normally a lot further by road.

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I'm going to wander off topic here, forgive me, but I have a point worth making, at least I think so.
Ilford’s scheme is a welcome attempt by them to get their products to us, and to continue supporting dealers as they have always done. That said I don’t think I want to lug 10Kg of chemicals any further than the distance from my front door mat to my darkroom, so don’t feel that the scheme is as attractive to me as it may be to others, in this example. Unless one is able to combine such collection with essential journeys then the cost of collection quickly overtakes the delivery charge; something perhaps we overlook. I will leave you to work the maths.

I do agree that it is important to compare prices, but that full consideration should be given to availability and service. Do we want to support the dealer that specialises in shifting discounted boxes of the top twenty products, or those that stock in depth, so that we continue to have a good choice of product, albeit at possibly slightly higher price for the basics.
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I'm going to wander off topic here, forgive me, but I have a point worth making, at least I think so.
Ilford’s scheme is a welcome attempt by them to get their products to us, and to continue supporting dealers as they have always done. That said I don’t think I want to lug 10Kg of chemicals any further than the distance from my front door mat to my darkroom, so don’t feel that the scheme is as attractive to me as it may be to others, in this example. Unless one is able to combine such collection with essential journeys then the cost of collection quickly overtakes the delivery charge; something perhaps we overlook. I will leave you to work the maths.

I do agree that it is important to compare prices, but that full consideration should be given to availability and service. Do we want to support the dealer that specialises in shifting discounted boxes of the top twenty products, or those that stock in depth, so that we continue to have a good choice of product, albeit at possibly slightly higher price for the basics.
Ahem,

I bring up the alternatives because whilst I think that what Silverprint offer in the way of a one stop shop for B+W needs is very good, they also seem to have a policy of pricing using a VAT exclusive rate at just below other retailers VAT inclusive rates. e.g. Jessops and RK both give VAT inclusive rates which are similar to silverprint VAT exclusive rates. So buying via silverprint you pay %15 higher prices before tax. More if you look at Jessops prices. Where's the justification for that, especially given the higher basic delivery cost plus added surcharge on volume liquid chemical delivery?

edit: I just just checked jessops site and they are offering free delivery on orders over £50 so 2 bottles of hypam at £46.96 and whatever you can get for £2.95 and its an even better deal than Ilford D2D and delivered to your door. That'll conserve your strength for lugging that 8x10 Dave, but your pockets will be heavier
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