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Old 20th August 2021, 04:48 PM
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Default An Extra Frame or Two with 35mm Film.

This may be an old trick, but I have only just heard it from a stranger I saw taking some photos. locally.

After swapping a few photography yarns and a bit of nostalgia, he told me that he likes to load a new 35mm film in complete darkness.

He feeds the tongue of the film into the take up spool in daylight, then off with the light. He then places the cassette into it proper location in the dark. The film unwinds in the dark as he moves the cassette to its space and the only fogged bit of film is the tongue and possibly an inch.

This gives him one or two extra frames according to the camera in use.

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Old 20th August 2021, 05:24 PM
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37 or even 38 frames are not unusual.
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Old 20th August 2021, 06:13 PM
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With Fomapan I always get 38 bframes, with every camera I own, execpt for my 2 Leica's, a 111c and 111f, with them I always get 39 with the Leicas, for soke reason
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Old 20th August 2021, 07:20 PM
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A useful trick, Nat. This should also work, I think, even for those of us with auto-wind to frame 1.

I say this as I presume the auto-wind moves the film forward the same distance each time and that distance has a built-in margin to account for the fact that most users start pulling the film at the cassette holder end and thus waste a couple of frames but the way you describe "fools" the camera which only pulls the same distance

Any flaws in this logic, anybody?

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Old 21st August 2021, 07:34 AM
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Default Not with every camera

There are some cameras notably the Nikon F3 would not expose the film until it had been wound on by 2 frames and most of the AF models auto-wind on by 2 frames so that frame number 1 was shown in the indicator. I don't know of any of them that could be over-ridden
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Old 21st August 2021, 07:39 AM
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I knew someone who loaded his Leica under the bedclothes to get 39 frames. As a student I was given a bulk roll of Plus-X which I loaded in the college darkroom using old cassettes, in the days when they opened with a tap on the bench and could be re-used, filled to capacity so always more than 36 shots.
This must be a reason why standard 35mm neg sleeves hold 42 frames, though I have a Durst neg binder whose sleeves hold only 36.
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Old 21st August 2021, 12:13 PM
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I have a Durst neg binder whose sleeves hold only 36.
And Paterson contact printing frames only allow 6 strips of 6 = 36 exposures on a sheet of 10" x 8" paper, so I presume the extra 2 frames wouldn't be included?

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Old 21st August 2021, 02:41 PM
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There are some cameras notably the Nikon F3 would not expose the film until it had been wound on by 2 frames and most of the AF models auto-wind on by 2 frames so that frame number 1 was shown in the indicator. I don't know of any of them that could be over-ridden
Yes, I should have said most of my cameras, My minolta 600si,700si and 800 si stop at 36, my 2 minolta 7000i's give 68, also mt retina's stop at 36, but by fiddling with tge frame counter you get the couple extra frames, all the rest give 38
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Old 21st October 2021, 04:55 PM
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My problem is always the opposite: trying to finish the film so that I can see what the earlier pictures look like. I confess I quite often waste the last few frames in my impatience. I load my own too, so you might think I should simply load shorter films (e.g. 20 exp). But then I need to change films more often, and by sod's law this often falls just when things are excitingly photogenic and all the digital guys are still clicking away. Can't seem to win.

Mr Barnack's concept was to use trivial lengths of a material that was produced in huge quantities for the film industry. Affairs have changed a good deal that we now worry about squeezing in a couple of extra frames, although actually it's still only £0.15/frame.
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