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Old 26th March 2020, 11:40 AM
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For me John I find the MG5 print too severe or contrasty and I feel a person would get tired at looking at it. Going back to the MG4 print is a relief to my vision. Then I think perhaps a little longer exposure would add more impact to it.
It's said that grade for grade, the newer paper is slightly more contrasty.

So maybe you need to print 1/2 to 1 full f-stop lower than you usually would, with the new MGV, Vincent?

I for one (think I) like a tiny bit of punch in my prints, so after a bit more use, I will see.

(At the moment) I have some Kentmere RC MG, Ilford FB MG Matt and some Art 300 paper to fall back on if I find it the same as you Vincent.

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P.S. Well done for the measuring John.
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Old 26th March 2020, 03:02 PM
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It's said that grade for grade, the newer paper is slightly more contrasty.

So maybe you need to print 1/2 to 1 full f-stop lower than you usually would, with the new MGV, Vincent?

I for one (think I) like a tiny bit of punch in my prints, so after a bit more use, I will see.

(At the moment) I have some Kentmere RC MG, Ilford FB MG Matt and some Art 300 paper to fall back on if I find it the same as you Vincent.

Terry S

The closest I can find to compare with the new MG5 is the original KentmereRC paper. I have the remnants of a box of 50 fibre Kentmere glossy and this is similar, but I actually prefer the Ilford RC. This is the first RC paper that I actually like .
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Old 26th March 2020, 03:06 PM
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For me John I find the MG5 print too severe or contrasty and I feel a person would get tired at looking at it. Going back to the MG4 print is a relief to my vision. Then I think perhaps a little longer exposure would add more impact to it.
The biggest bonus for me is the fact that the new Ilford paper is faster than the old by about 20%, not a lot I know but for a large print which may take 100 seconds with MG4 you now will only have to use 80 seconds.

As for the apparent contrast, you can always use a grade softer if you wish, you are not bound to use a hard filter.
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Old 28th March 2020, 01:32 PM
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Some years ago I did some detailed densitometry on MGlV RC and noted a kink in the curves around the mid-point (D=about 1.0) and assumed that it was my fault or an anomaly in the stepwedge. I recently spoke to David Abberley at Ilford, who volunteered that MGV removes the kink... And this was one of the intended improvements. I havenít done any densitometry on the new emulsion.
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Old 28th March 2020, 02:36 PM
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Some years ago I did some detailed densitometry on MGlV RC and noted a kink in the curves around the mid-point (D=about 1.0) and assumed that it was my fault or an anomaly in the stepwedge. I recently spoke to David Abberley at Ilford, who volunteered that MGV removes the kink... And this was one of the intended improvements. I havenít done any densitometry on the new emulsion.
The owner of Morco advised me that there was some difficulty in obtaining some of the chemicals that go to make up the emulsion of MG4v was also partly responsible for the reformulation and development of MG5
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Old 28th March 2020, 03:41 PM
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I have to say that on balance, based on what I have seen and read, the MGV looks to be the better paper and the increase in price that most if not all stockists are charging is probably commensurate with the improvements made

Now that is some accolade coming from someone like me who has become intensely sceptical of anything labelled as new that carried a big price hike such as Acros II or even stuff that is not new such as TMax 100/400 and Kodak bulk rolls

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Some years ago I did some detailed densitometry on MGlV RC and noted a kink in the curves around the mid-point (D=about 1.0) and assumed that it was my fault or an anomaly in the stepwedge. I recently spoke to David Abberley at Ilford, who volunteered that MGV removes the kink... And this was one of the intended improvements. I havenít done any densitometry on the new emulsion.
Do you recall whether the kink occurred with all contrast grades or just the lower ones? I have not done sensitometry on papers but I have done a lot of trial and error and I've settled on a lower contrast negative and slightly higher paper grade which I prefer subjectively. I'm wondering if the "kink" might be the reason, or at least part of the reason.
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Some years ago I did some detailed densitometry on MGlV RC and noted a kink in the curves around the mid-point (D=about 1.0) and assumed that it was my fault or an anomaly in the stepwedge. I recently spoke to David Abberley at Ilford, who volunteered that MGV removes the kink... And this was one of the intended improvements. I haven’t done any densitometry on the new emulsion.
I noticed MGIV RC grades 00 and 0 had a terrible kink in the darker mid-tones.

You got almost no tonal differentiation on the print for quite large tonal changes on the negative - the outcome of which was to produce some very muddy flat prints.

Yes I know 00 and 0 give you muddy flat prints but the effect was to make the prints even more muddy and flat.

I noticed in the published material put out by Ilford that MGV has eliminated that particular defect, although they use some fancy weasel words to describe the change.

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