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Old 4th March 2020, 01:59 PM
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Michael where is the price mentioned? Does this mean that he is no longer accepting funds and that the meter is already for sale in Canada. If so I wonder what you were required to pledge to be guaranteed a meter and what was the saving for a "pledger" compared to the retail price

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The price is given on the sites front page, on the right, under the 'rewards' list. To pledge for a light meter, it will cost you £74.00 / C$125.00 with no mention of how much it might cost after the campaign finishes. Sales will start at the end of the campaign.

On their Kickstarter page, it's stated that the campaign for funding is open until 30 March 2020, with meters being dispatched September 2020.

They were looking for £9,350.00 and at present have £42,202.00 pledged. Note that this is an automatically converted amount from Canadian Dollars:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ur-old-cameras

It looks a bit fiddly for my use, and I'm quite happy with using an external meter, so I'm obviously not their type of buyer / user.

As mentioned in post #2 on here though, I do wonder about the choice of ISO's chosen, with it going from ISO100 to ISO 200, with no ISO125...?

The full list given in the Q+A's, when asked about them are:

What is the full list of... ISO... speeds available?

The full list is:
ISO 1, 3, 6, 12, 25, 50, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800


UPDATE: Having just read the current comments, the 'Creator', has updated the list to include ISO125, amongst others, so good on him for listening to his backers.

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Old 4th March 2020, 03:08 PM
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Thanks Terry. So the £74 is the pledge reward price. Unless the pledgers are in effect going to get no extra reward compared to a buyer then buyers will presumably be charged more?

I wonder what his manufacturing facilities and costs will be? It clearly can't be him and a few helpers. If he has been pledged £42,200 then that's at least 5,700 meters @ £74 per meter

If we assume a 5 day week and roughly 6 months to dispatch day then that's 6 x 25 day months so 5,700 meters in 125 days. That's about 455 meters per day or 57 per hour in an eight hour day.

57 meters an hour is quite a lot and will need a factory approach I'd have thought. I hope his "production ducks are already in a row" or can be put in place extremely quickly. If not then it is one big mountain to climb

Neil made good point about size in relation to function v larger meters. The optics of "things metering" are a closed book to me but assuming that the chip running the internals can be contained in this small package then is it the size of the front window that governs the quality of the meter readings?

In other words what is it about a small meter like this that prevents it matching the likes of a larger Weston for instance?

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Old 4th March 2020, 03:54 PM
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From Mr Bechberger's update of today, I quote:

I've added a feature to give additional information to the user if they wish to have it, so a new menu option has been added called "LX/EV". When enabled, it will display the lux reading and Exposure Value (to 2 decimal places) of the reading directly to the user for half a second, before proceeding to display the calculated f-stop and shutter speed. This gives the user who wishes for more info the ability to see the true lux reading and EV to help inform their exposure decision. There was lots of messages about being able to see the EV directly and so I put it in!

To cater to the pinhole shooters out there, I am extending the available aperture options up to f1000!
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Old 4th March 2020, 03:59 PM
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its no good for a old git like me unless it comes with a Sherlock Holmes type magnifying glass
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Old 4th March 2020, 04:02 PM
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Paul, I already carry a magnifying glass when I'm out with the camera.

A bit more from Mr Bechberger (I quote again):

The big news for me is that the huge success has allowed me to bring the PCB assembly process to Canada! The funding goal of $16000 CAD was going to be around 140 units, a prohibitively small quantity of units for most circuit board assembly factories here in Canada, so I was expecting I was going to need to do this step in China. This opens issues of factory communication (12 hour time difference) as well as little recourse if there is quality variations or any assembly errors. However, due to the massive response to the project I have been able to bring a much larger build quantity to the PCB assemblers local to me and have gotten an acceptable price per unit. This means the assembly can be done in Canada, where I can keep a watchful eye on quality and help ensure there are no production delays! The multi-jet-fusion parts are also printed in North America so at the moment, the only remaining manufacturing component coming from overseas is the circuit boards. This is something that I will be looking into bringing domestic as well once the final production quantity is known. Great news for local manufacturing in the Toronto region!
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Old 4th March 2020, 05:42 PM
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its no good for a old git like me unless it comes with a Sherlock Holmes type magnifying glass
As I get older I find that a magnifier is an essential piece of photography equipment, either I am getting older or the writing and numbers are getting smaller on my cameras and Weston's
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Old 4th March 2020, 09:26 PM
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If he has been pledged £42,200 then that's at least 5,700 meters @ £74 per meter
Decimal point error there - it's a more manageable approx 570 (actually a little more as the x2 and x4 packets are at a lower unit price)

But I can easily see this going to £50,000 or more by the time it is finished - perhaps a lot more.

At a quick glance I do not see where he says what the case will be made from. The prototype obviously has a (not very well) 3d printed case - I hope he is not intending to do the same with production versions, but there is nothing like enough in his original budget to have injection moulding done, so 3d printing looks the only obvious option unless a standard small case is punched and adapted.

Nice project - I can see it appealing to newer/younger film shooters using old manual cameras. I wonder how much it would cost to have a machine finished, cast aluminium version?

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Old 4th March 2020, 10:40 PM
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You are right Bob. What now puzzles me is how as low a number as as 570 makes it worthwhile for a Canadian company to take on the job

Does anyone have an answer to my question of what part of this small meter suffers as a result of it being smaller than the likes of Westons etc. If we assume that the chip(s) that operates the "maths" so to speak is/are OK in a small meter and I think this is likely to be the case then what is different and may be smaller is the part on the front that measures the light. However looking at the video it looks to be quite a large part of the front which as I understand is it about 2.5 cms in length but smaller in width . I have just had a look at my Hannimex and my light receiver at its front is about 1 cm square so almost certainly not as big

So I wonder if there is any reason to believe that the new meter's light measuring quality will be inherently poorer than most of the handheld meters we use such as Weston's

For this purpose can we exclude its lack of incident metering ability as I do appreciate that a lot of handheld meters do include this

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Old 4th March 2020, 10:45 PM
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Bob, in the "Comments" tab on the Kickstarter page linked to by Neil, Mr Bechberger makes the following argument (which I haven't the experience to assess):

Hi Chris, the HP Multi Jet Fusion prints are some of the finest quality 3D printing available, as well as being isometrically strong and having no visible print lines. The cost of molds is considerable, but also comes with other disadvantages: Design complexity must be low, mold degradation occurs over time, parts may require finishing work such as flashing removal, and designs changes/error fixing can be extremely expensive.

I'm not ruling it out but I am weary of the choice due to these complexities.
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Old 4th March 2020, 11:57 PM
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A bit small isn't it? Just don't get it mixed up with a packet of Liquorish Allsorts!
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